The election thread - Two middle-late aged white men trying to be blokey and convincing..., same old shit, FFS.

[Flow-Rider]

This is my problem with democracy.

Politicians make a lot of promises, hardly ever follow through and their agenda is not always transparent to the public.
Who are you voting for at the end of the day?

 

[Ghostee]

The rest of the world must be laughing at Australia and how pathetic our government is if we cant even keep a prime minister for a full term.
4 changes in 2 terms is an absolute joke, we should all be ashmaed and embarassed by this bullshit.

 

[Flow-Rider]

The rest of the world must be laughing at Australia and how pathetic our government is if we cant even keep a prime minister for a full term.
4 changes in 2 terms is an absolute joke, we should all be ashmaed and embarassed by this bullshit.

I actually thought the same thing, our political system is a joke. No matter what PM they get they will never be happy, it reminds me of the back stabbers in the workplace licking dicks, balls and all.

 

[John U]

Politicians make a lot of promises, hardly ever follow through and their agenda is not always transparent to the public.
Who are you voting for at the end of the day?

Some politicians, not all. Daniel Andrews has done a fair bit of what he said he would do.

The rest of the world must be laughing at Australia and how pathetic our government is if we cant even keep a prime minister for a full term.
4 changes in 2 terms is an absolute joke, we should all be ashmaed and embarassed by this bullshit.

Not at all. The rest of the world was laughing at Australia because of some of the garbage the Abbott government was coming out with. Australia, I reckon, would have been better off if it had happened much earlier.

A lot of politics is art of explaining policy to the people and negotiating. 2 things the Abbott government were either bad at or flat out refused to do. Still, when policy is shit from the get go then no amount of explaining or negotiating is going to help you.

Interesting times. Hopefully we are better off for it.

 

[ajay]

The rest of the world must be laughing at Australia and how pathetic our government is if we cant even keep a prime minister for a full term.
4 changes in 2 terms is an absolute joke, we should all be ashmaed and embarassed by this bullshit.

You probably over estimate how much the rest of world cares about Australias political system.

 

[pharmaboy]

The rest of the world must be laughing at Australia and how pathetic our government is if we cant even keep a prime minister for a full term.
4 changes in 2 terms is an absolute joke, we should all be ashmaed and embarassed by this bullshit.

3 of the changes are due to one guy who seemed good on the outside to the public, but had some serious issues on the inside- ie Kevin Rudd .

The alternative would be, that even if you have a poorly functioning PM, you should leave them in place, just so the voters can have their way with them at an election.

That is the most clear example of cutting off your nose to spite your face there is, completely stupid to the nth degree. I'm pretty sure you either hated TA or Kevin Rudd, so what the hell are you complaining about?

 

[floody]

I really want to see what happens to cabinet and other appointments now. Abetz, Hockey, Dutton, Andrews must be watching their backs. I'd expect Nikolic won't be whip much longer. Morrison must be feeling a heavy weight now. Brandis?

Oh how I'd love to see Abetz out of a portfolio, that dreadful man.

 

[Knuckles]

Seriously, the very idea that the Australian voters would think that only they have the right of hire and fire speaks volumes for the educational attainment of said populace

Do we?



Or is that the campaign line taken to the last election by a party, so bereft of actual policy, that the only thing they had to offer over the incumbent government was, better us than them? It was parroted by the LNP, their supporters and the Fairfax media so much, it became mantra. Hell, Abbott was still using it, as his only reason he should keep the job.

To me it's actually democracy at work. We had a leadership so out of touch with the electorate, or world for that matter, that someone decided enough was enough, and acted. The fact that it didn't require a coup, revolution or assassination, actually speaks volumes on the health of our political system. It is, however and indictment on the piss poor ability of our politicians.

 

[scblack]

I just go away camping for a long weekend, and this is what I come back to. Sheesh.

 

[Beej1]

I just remembered this from a while ago:

I'm seeing Team Turnip in the not too distant future and by God if they do take the lead I will be making damned sure that everyone calls them Team Turnip too!

I would like to know what steps our esteemed mod is taking to get his colloquialism firmly into place in the Australian psyche.

 

[Flow-Rider]

Abbott has gone now anyway, it's water under the bridge, see what Turncoat has to offer with his Minions.

 

[Knuckles]

The rest of the world must be laughing at Australia and how pathetic our government is if we cant even keep a prime minister for a full term.
4 changes in 2 terms is an absolute joke, we should all be ashmaed and embarassed by this bullshit.

For sure! I bet the Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis, North Koreans, Iranians, Taiwanese, Libyans, Zimbabweans, Myanmars, Sudanese, et al, are all pissing themselves.

Seriously, who's going to try harder? A leader who knows his position is not guaranteed, not matter what the "offical" term of government is, or someone assured of their 3, 4, or whatever year term, at the end of which, is their public funded, golden nest egg?

 

[Flow-Rider]

For sure! I bet the Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis, North Koreans, Iranians, Taiwanese, Libyans, Zimbabweans, Myanmars, Sudanese, et al, are all pissing themselves.

Seriously, who's going to try harder? A leader who knows his position is not guaranteed, not matter what the "offical" term of government is, or someone assured of their 3, 4, or whatever year term, at the end of which, is their public funded, golden nest egg?

It's the fact that the party was so "loose" in the first place, there would of been conflict everywhere, not the best environment for a PM to work under.

 

[steve jobs' pancreas]

Jules to lead by election time ?

With Turnbull they are dead in the water.

To quote Admiral Ackbar "Its a trap !!!"

 

[Knuckles]

It's the fact that the party was so "loose" in the first place, there would of been conflict everywhere, not the best environment for a PM to work under.

Heh? Not sure how that relates to the quote.....


But in answer to yours, that's what happens when you give the jobs to your "mates" who backed you into the roll as a way of feathering their own nest, they're always going to be protecting their own interests, not yours or the country's, and when shit goes sideways, they're the first out of the blast radius.

The problem was, Abbott never knew, was never interested in, or was to incompetent to do the PM's actual job, which is to assemble a cabinet to manage the country, then manage them into a cohesive team. Not throw the rules out the window, and make idiotic after idiotic captain's call to the detriment of self, party and state. While letting the other idiots run wild with the stuff he had no interest in.

 

[thecat]

For sure! I bet the Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis, North Koreans, Iranians, Taiwanese, Libyans, Zimbabweans, Myanmars, Sudanese, et al, are all pissing themselves.

Seriously, who's going to try harder? A leader who knows his position is not guaranteed, not matter what the "offical" term of government is, or someone assured of their 3, 4, or whatever year term, at the end of which, is their public funded, golden nest egg?

Who is going to govern better. The leader who knows she/he has a full term to do what he/she thinks is the right thing for Australia or the leader who knows unless she/he is winning the short term polls by pacifying the majority he/she is going to get booted.

Remember just because in a democracy the majority always wins doesn't mean the majority are always right.

 

[scblack]

Remember just because in a democracy the majority always wins doesn't mean the majority are always right.

Well that is precisely what a democracy means. What the majority vote for is what the population wants, and it is right that they get it.

Otherwise you are just trying to impose some sort of "value" judgement on what is "right".

 

[Knuckles]

Jules to lead by election time ?

With Turnbull they are dead in the water.

To quote Admiral Ackbar "Its a trap !!!"

How so? He never got a shot at the title.

Turnbull was originally ousted by the party for his support of the carbon emissions scheme. Losing to the also ran candidate, Abbott.

Labor lost the following election, leaving Abbott as PM by default.

Turnbull's policies resonate pretty well with the voting public by and large, his biggest hurdle will be getting things past the hardliners and National Party hillbillies and implementing them.

As long as lessons were learnt from the Rudd/Gillard dog and pony show, and he swings the axe strategically, he has a excellent shot come election time.

 

[placebo]

It's show how degraded australian politics have become when a socialist hippy like me thinks a millionaire Liberal leader is our best choice for PM at the moment

The rest of the world must be laughing at Australia and how pathetic our government is if we cant even keep a prime minister for a full term.
4 changes in 2 terms is an absolute joke, we should all be ashmaed and embarassed by this bullshit.

There's only one answer to this mess. He's not the politician we deserve, he's the leader we need!

 

[Flow-Rider]

Heh? Not sure how that relates to the quote.....


But in answer to yours, that's what happens when you give the jobs to your "mates" who backed you into the roll as a way of feathering their own nest, they're always going to be protecting their own interests, not yours or the country's, and when shit goes sideways, they're the first out of the blast radius.

The problem was, Abbott never knew, was never interested in, or was to incompetent to do the PM's actual job, which is to assemble a cabinet to manage the country, then manage them into a cohesive team. Not throw the rules out the window, and make idiotic after idiotic captain's call to the detriment of self, party and state. While letting the other idiots run wild with the stuff he had no interest in.

I was referring to why would other countries laugh at our political system, a party throws its own leader out, when they should be trying to run a country. It's not just a one-off either.