pink poodle
気が狂っている男
Ok...I've not felt the need to cast judgement either way in this argument, until now. I call bull shit to this statement. You'll have a hard time proving this is even close to true!
Protective gear for DH?
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jarrod839
Banned
Sorry poodle 95% of rotorburn with one select individual as there leader.
Boom King
downloaded a pic of moorey's bruised arse
It's evidence of sorts but there is no way of telling what your injuries would have been had you not been wearing it. Just like you said there is no way of knowing if a neck brace would have helped Sam Willoughby.
It's simply an anecdote, a story of what happened to you when wearing the brace. It's anecdotal evidence but it's not scientific evidence.
pink poodle
気が狂っている男
Thank you. I'm not normally one for insisting on accuracy, but this needed to be cleared up.
Also up there ^ it should be their not there. they're going to get upset with that kind of thin on here.
jarrod839
Banned
Ive come to the conclusion that this forum is now officially fucked and i seriously can't be bothered wasting any more of my time dealing with halfwits who know nothing about MTBING or even riding in general.
This forum was good in the start with a wealth of knowledge and decent people who helped each other out but know is just full of raging homosexuals better known as enduro riders who come on here to comment on what the latest crappy bike part they have sodomized themselves with or Mywifesirrational who is just a deadset brainless cunt and i hope you break your neck on your next ride.
To the awesome people that are still on this forum i wish you all the best in your riding endeavors and all the best in dealing with the 95% of halfwits on here.
This forum was good in the start with a wealth of knowledge and decent people who helped each other out but know is just full of raging homosexuals better known as enduro riders who come on here to comment on what the latest crappy bike part they have sodomized themselves with or Mywifesirrational who is just a deadset brainless cunt and i hope you break your neck on your next ride.
To the awesome people that are still on this forum i wish you all the best in your riding endeavors and all the best in dealing with the 95% of halfwits on here.
ForkinGreat
Knows his Brassica oleracea
Bye Bye Jarrod, enjoy your aquired brain injury... Chronic traumatic encephalopathy - It's the gift that keeps on giving! Especially to you mate.
As soon as you can translate all the ACTUAL research that was linked for you into emojis, I'm sure you'll have some of those stinging retorts you promised us, but never delivered.
I have no doubt that the "raging homosexuals better known as enduro riders" community, as you so eloquently put it, will welcome you with open arms. You should fit in nicely, as it were.
or maybe you are a brain dead bigoted homophobic useless shitstain. Hard to tell, but you seem rather keenly interested in homosexuals, in any case.
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treble
Likes Dirt
oh well, its been a bloody great laugh for the last couple of days. one of my non-mtb mates even got a laugh out of it. Bye Jarrod
On a more serious note, why aren't there any studies into the effectiveness of neck braces? I've always been suspicious of Leatt and co's marketing. But I'd actually love to know for sure. what would it take?
On a more serious note, why aren't there any studies into the effectiveness of neck braces? I've always been suspicious of Leatt and co's marketing. But I'd actually love to know for sure. what would it take?
Mywifesirrational
I however am very normal. Trust me.
You're a charming one, you nasty science hater.
No can do in regards to the neck break, just got back from an enjoyable Dj sessions at Altona Meadows in one piece.
My neck can't break according to your logic, I was thrown off a motorcycle head first into a parked car after being T-boned in 2001, no spinal injury, no neck brace, that's my anecdote, see neck braces cause neck fracture N=1.
treble
Likes Dirt
lol, pretty sure he is banned now, don't think he will get to read that one.
Mywifesirrational
I however am very normal. Trust me.
Now lets all be calm about this... lol.
A couple of reasons, Leatt won't support 3rd party research, at least not in the lab where I worked, which is world class. It makes it a lot harder to get research published and acquire finding to do the research. I presume its based on keeping their knowledge to themselves and ensuring they are not creating a direct market competitor.
They haven't been around long enough say compared to helmets and seatbelts, also when neck fractures are recorded in the medical system (both for cyclist and MX), there is no input as to whether someone was wearing one, there is a for a helmet and various other things but not a neck brace (or hasn't been until recently). So looking back at medical data doesn't shed any light unfortunately.
I like the principle of neck braces, but chatting with neck fracture and head trauma specialists, a Leatt may help, make no difference and possibly make things worse - particularly for T1 fractures and brain injuries.
Its funny how everyone wearing of one has a story about why they are still walking due to one, but statistically a neck fracture, resulting in spinal cord trauma is very, very rare.
You never know, if I see him on a shuttle day in the future, should I bring this up?
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pink poodle
気が狂っている男
I'm glad you survived the ride injury free.
Dare I say it; companies like Leatt would be unhappy if hard evidence showed their. Products provided nil or negative results from use. I'm very glad I've never had a spinal injury, unless my fucked disc and pinched nerve thing was.a delayed result from an accident. A couple of friends have and it seemed pretty shitty.
Boom King
downloaded a pic of moorey's bruised arse
Only if you're wearing a neck brace.
Boom King
downloaded a pic of moorey's bruised arse
He can still see everything even if banned. Just can't post.
pink poodle
気が狂っている男
Nah just get a DH jersey printed with that picture on it and a speech bubble saying "mooooooooooo".
treble
Likes Dirt
I see. It's interesting that they are such a prevalent part of the mtb market considering they have no real proof to attach to their claims. it would seem they are relying solely on brand loyalty and people just assuming they work. I'm guilty of that, I have never felt the need to buy one, but I just assumed because they are on the market they must have been proven effective.
Also weird that are able to sell them as safety devices in Australia. Considering there doesn't even seem to any standards to govern them
(A quick search of SAI Global turns up nothing for neck braces, but nearly 100 results for helmets.) Given how strict our consumer law is in this country I would have thought someone would pull them up on false and misleading claims. maybe its too much of a niche market for anyone to notice.
Also weird that are able to sell them as safety devices in Australia. Considering there doesn't even seem to any standards to govern them
(A quick search of SAI Global turns up nothing for neck braces, but nearly 100 results for helmets.) Given how strict our consumer law is in this country I would have thought someone would pull them up on false and misleading claims. maybe its too much of a niche market for anyone to notice.
I don't know, I've been told its really hard to punch someone wearing a full face helmet, I cant imagine a neck brace would make it any easier.
Boom King
downloaded a pic of moorey's bruised arse
Nautonier
Eats Squid
Thanks for the entertainment guys, looking at the time stamps it seems you enduro riding homosexuals weren't out riding today, but rather bashing each other with your keyboards most of the day. I wonder if anyone stayed home specially?
Interesting that in the midst of all this banter about neck braces, nobody has mentioned back protection. Given the fact that many hydro packs are now coming out with built in back protection, I'd hazard a guess that more riders would be opting for that rather than neck braces. Oh wait, that because they're endurosexuals, not real men on DH bikes (riding enduro trails haha).
Interesting that in the midst of all this banter about neck braces, nobody has mentioned back protection. Given the fact that many hydro packs are now coming out with built in back protection, I'd hazard a guess that more riders would be opting for that rather than neck braces. Oh wait, that because they're endurosexuals, not real men on DH bikes (riding enduro trails haha).
ForkinGreat
Knows his Brassica oleracea
So much material to work with... :becky:
"Have you worked out what sound a cow makes yet."
" MUPPET POWER!!!!!!!!!!" <<--- not a quote of jarrods, but it should be
"I don't need to waste my time gathering the medical papers for you to read and prove to you the effectiveness of wearing a neckbrace"
"i will shut you down everytime."
"1+1="
"another jesus lover that thinks god saves necks and not a neckbrace"
"The satanic bible is a truly great read and insight into life and makes way more sense than the others"
"evidence that they work is a load of shit and that me still walking after a serious neck injury was a act of god and not my leatt neckbrace. "
"yes it is hard to pinpoint if they have worked or not in a crash. I have read many stories of people who have been wearing one and still broken necks and others who have walked away unharmed. Its the big what if question and its one that is hard to answer. I asked myself the same question after my accident"
"well apparently my neckbrace is a useless piece of safety equipment and did nothing that day i crashed. So must of being some other divine intervention like god, mother nature or even possibly fairies. "
"so in theory if a neckbrace doesn't prevent serious injurys that must mean that a helmet doesn't either. Why did i just spend $1200 on a new helmet and neckbrace. "
"haven't touched hard drugs in 10 years"
"Answer this question everyone if you rocked upto a new job and your boss asked you to hop into a safety cage attached to a fork lift and be lifted 15ft in the air to reach something and said there's a safety harness overthere its upto you if you want to wear it not as your chance of falling are pretty slim would you put the harness on."
"the fact that you are also a halfwit there is some need for abuse because you are in fact challenged."
"a riders testimonial is nothing but fiction and it instead is a act of god."
"does a cow go woof or moo"
"my leatt neckbrace is just a fancy $600 scarf for me to look cool in"
"Hang in there sunshine."
"a doctor lied to me about my $600 safety device and it served no purpose that day."
" im sorry i dont beleive in god and i instead beleive that my neckbrace saved me that day not god. "
"Paul basacotta - spinal injurys rampage. Sam Willoughby -BMX and even last week remi metailer broke his back.
All three were not wearing neckbraces and its all most impossible to determine if paul and sams outcomes would of being different if they were wearing one."
"Surely the consumer watchdog would have cracked down on a $600 to $800 safety device with no documented proof of working."
"dumb chunt they weren't wearing one and its impossible to tell if one would have helped or not.
Ive read reports of people who have been wearing one but still suffered spinal injurys."
"they weren't wearing one and its impossible to tell if one would have helped or not as the variables are almost impossible to replicate or control."
"the fact I'm still walking along with many others cause they chose to wear one is evidence."
"This forum was good in the start with a wealth of knowledge and decent people who helped each other out but know is just full of raging homosexuals better known as enduro riders who come on here to comment on what the latest crappy bike part they have sodomized themselves with"
moorey
call me Mia
Incorrect. Can't even log on.
Mywifesirrational
I however am very normal. Trust me.
I actually thought he was more or less trolling, going for the long con so to speak, then he loses his shit and now I realise he actually has issues.
Back protectors, I read some reasearch based on Dianese back protectors a while back, and it made sense. They work really well for direct impact, say over the bars flat back onto a rockgarden.
But if you rag doll your self down a hill, there is a good chance of trauma to your back, perhaps significantly, as the weight and inertia of you lower limbs vs you upper limbs and body may rotate in opposite directions potentially damaging the spinal column. Almost like why professional bowlers in cricket often have wrecked backs.