That's what I said to themI still remember FTF races in there 20 years ago.
They're gone.Hang on a minute!!
There are North shore shits at Lysterfield?
Where about are these trails you guys speaking of?
Gone where?They're gone.
Oh! Just read the letter that Parks sent you. Aboriginal's heritage area?Closed by Parks Vic
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I haven't read the legislation, but the trail has been there longer than the legislation creation date. I do understand that heritage would have been there for hundreds of years.Full credit to PV, that letter is well done. And undersold. Cultural heritage legislation is one of the biggest challenges for MTB trails to overcome. Basically because the legislation says you can't dig without approval and supervision of a registered aboriginal party. Or, in the absence of a RAP, the local community reps. But then there's the biodiversity stuff as well so you can't go clearing overground either.
And the argument that a track has been there 20 years...a site of cultural significance has been there for potentially tens of thousands of years so it's best not to get too high and mighty there either.
Our track has significant cultural sites in and around it. We abandoned nearly a kilometre and a half after a burial site was identified in a sandhill over which we had a pine log boardwalk trail. This trail represented hundreds of hours of work by members to stabilise and create...And we agreed willingly that we had had no other option but to abandon it and remove the boardwalk. It sucks but it's fair. And by playing fair...We still get to play. The rule on our track is no dig and no building outside our agreed plan of management.
I haven't read the legislation, but the trail has been there longer than the legislation creation date. I do understand that heritage would have been there for hundreds of years.
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Doesn't matter what came first. Trail or legislation. All sites containing 'cultural material, known and unknown' are protected under Victorian law. And pretty much any other Australian state law for that matter.I haven't read the legislation, but the trail has been there longer than the legislation creation date. I do understand that heritage would have been there for hundreds of years.
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Can not disagree...I think Parks need to stress on the sign the reason for closing the trail. I'm not going to ride it anymore, but if you did a survey I bet 90% of the people who ride the trail would be locals gaining access to Lystie and have been riding that trail for many many many years. Locals see it as a legal trail as it has previously been raced on and maintained.
I would say on the sign that this trail is now closed and stress the heritage and weed issues, not that it's closed because it's illegal.
I would put the emphasis on the bottom information on the sign and not the top illegal stuff. I think you would get better compliance.
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They can't demonstrate where cultural heritage starts and stops. Because they don't know. And not knowing is no longer an excuse. By act or omission. They're the words. And PV, some councils and even DELWP have been pinged already so they don't have too much sympathy for a bunch of mildly irritated MTB riders.Its.probably the way in which PV have approached this issue which will somewhat guarantee that it will not be successful. No consultation on any level and treating all trails as if they present the same issues and risks when they clearly don't. The area between the boulders and Wellington Rd is all the lowest environmental value according to pv's own overlays, which is one of the reasons they have tolerated the tracks there (the walking track to the servo has existed for decades). Most of the other tracks have been there for years to, some with more impact than others; but this failure to engage in any discussion about this with the park users will ultimately be it's undoing. A better approach would be a bit of give and take like when areas.of buckle were closed off, no-one rides there now.because of the way in which it.was approached. Unfortunately they could have probably leveraged the heritage argument by explaining where it specifically applied, rather than just sticking it on every single contractor erected sign for shock value (because it far outstrips the other fines).
My personal favourite from recent months was the vast swathes of land that that were glyphosphated (in stripes). I reckon theres a few less frogs in lysty and down in birdsland as a result. Don't even get me started on the fire prevention works....
Your informed views, or just supposition?Parks don't want mountain biking (off the designated fire trails) in the northern expansion of Lysterfield Lake, end of story