The election thread - Medicare Vs cost of living Vs OMG China! Vs housing Vs I'm not Trump! Vs prehistoric fish Vs nuclear energy Vs tariffs Vs AUKUS

[pink poodle]

That was nothing to do with internet, it was for pay TV.

Facts people facts, lets get them right.

Are you saying the cable would not have been multi-purpose? Or adaptable to stay with emerging trends? I doubt many regular people would've had much of a vision for how the world has evolved online. Television, shopping, and having friends...

The lawn mower man and beyond 2000 were our great inspirations. Oh and that war games movie where the kids hacks the military computer.

 

[Kerplunk]

Nothing can adapt to this calamity.


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Well nothing we know about yet.. Organisms have always adapted even in the most hostile of environments.
I have always thought mother nature will just evict us (humans) when we stuff things up too much. Flooding rains or drought for 600 days would probably do the job..

Back to the whole sustainable growth thing.. My definition of "sustainable" is probably a little more liberal than the in vs out balance. I think it's worth considering the psychological impact growth has. Cities packed with high rise dark dank dog boxes or enormous 90% site coverage bulk builder homes ain't how humans were designed to live.
Profit and growth always top good design and ideas. It's no coincidence the shit suburbs with no trees or open space have the highest crime and health issues (in melb).

 

[Mr Crudley]

"I've never seen a donkey beastiality video" fuck I want that on a t-shirt with Don Burke's face!

Since we have to think of the children in this G rated world. Do not search for 'man chased by lovesick donkey' in YouTube.

Don Burke is another of those weirdo's. Still waiting for the Church to put a large broom through their ranks too.

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[johnny]

Cities packed with high rise dark dank dog boxes or enormous 90% site coverage bulk builder homes ain't how humans were designed to live.

How were humans designed to live? Why and how were we designed that particular way?

 

[Skydome]

As far sustainability goes i think the countries we should use as examples would imo have to be Iceland, Norway, Greenland, Netherlands and etc.

Iceland and Greenland for been progressive in the renewables area, Norway for how quickly they've been adopting electric cars and their cities seem to be pleasant and look quite nice from what i have seen? and Netherlands for their focus on cycling networks.

If we could combine the thinking of these countries and figure ways for it to work in larger countries we'd be well on the way to making a brighter future, hell, even if we just got the rest of the world having the same attitudes towards electric cars and renewable energy as Iceland Norway and etc do we'd be making pretty big leeways.

Of course the one biggest issue that isn't so easy to solve is actually not having so much waste in the world and decreasing how much we consume and move to consuming it in a more sustainable way.

Probably one of the biggest issues is how unsustainable our use is for paper which means deforestation on large scales, if we could get the paper milling industries and plantation companies to use hemp paper that would help a lot since it's easier to grow and doesn't need quite as much space as normal trees and this would also mean there'd be more wood for crafts for things like furniture and etc.

 

[pink poodle]

I see you skip China.

 

[hifiandmtb]

As far sustainability goes i think the countries we should use as examples would imo have to be Iceland, Norway, Greenland, Netherlands and etc.

Norway remains one of the biggest green-wash entities of modern times. Sure, internally they walk the walk, but they have been & still are an absolutely massive crude & refined oil & natural gas producer.

 

[Freediver]

Hifi beat me to it

 

[John U]

How were humans designed to live? Why and how were we designed that particular way?

They evolved to live as Hunters and gatherers. 10,000 years is a very short time on an evolutionary scale.
That form came out on top because it was better than the others. Evolution is just a continual bunch of specific circumstances.

 

[Kerplunk]

They evolved to live as Hunters and gatherers. 10,000 years is a very short time on an evolutionary scale.
That form came out on top because it was better than the others. Evolution is just a continual bunch of specific circumstances.

This ^^
Humans have always worked together as a community (from my understanding)..
Interesting back yonder humans lived close enough to each other for functional reasons but still had a decent distance between seperating them. There was a sq km estimate somewhere.. it was very low numbers..
Humans are very adaptable but going from acreage to 40m2 in 100 years is pretty damn quick evolutionary wise.

 

[johnny]

So if it's "incorrect" evolution why did it happen?

Isn't that it happened evidence that it should have?

 

[Kerplunk]

I don't think I said it was "incorrect" evolutionary wise, more so not as "designed". Two diff things imo because
humans came about as the most adaptable species so it's no surprise that it has happened. Whether it's "right" or "wrong" for us is yet to be known.. Humans attraction to nature, ie mountain bikers, isn't random.
I remember learning in a landscape architecture lecture that public parks & gardens were created by the Roman empire for the sole purpose of calming a revolt by the lay people. By providing leisure and a natural landscape it created a sense of calm and distraction from how shit they were governing..

 

[johnny]

If it happens then it is the natural way of things, the way things were 'designed'.

The evidence being that it happened.

 

[Skydome]

Norway remains one of the biggest green-wash entities of modern times. Sure, internally they walk the walk, but they have been & still are an absolutely massive crude & refined oil & natural gas producer.

that may be true but it is also my understanding that they tax this heavily and put it into a national infrastructure fund which, IIRC is now worth around a trillion and Norway's government are looking at dropping oil and gas so they are at as much at the mercy to oil price fluctuations.

Norway, excluding China of course, is also pretty big in adopting electric cars but China from my understanding is currently the biggest EV market.

 

[hifiandmtb]

that may be true but it is also my understanding that they tax this heavily and put it into a national infrastructure fund which, IIRC is now worth around a trillion and Norway's government are looking at dropping oil and gas so they are at as much at the mercy to oil price fluctuations.

Norway, excluding China of course, is also pretty big in adopting electric cars but China from my understanding is currently the biggest EV market.

Oh good. They will one day stop being a major fossil fuel producer. Well done to them.

The atmosphere doesn’t care about good intentions...


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[Skydome]

Oh good. They will one day stop being a major fossil fuel producer. Well done to them.

The atmosphere doesn’t care about good intentions...


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From searching it's apparently by parliament now to approve it.

Never the less at least Norway taxes it heavily, from reading it attracts a standard 21 percent tax and another special tax of 51 percent or something and that money goes into a fund.

whereas we just let the companies tear it out of the ground cheaply and they don't even pay that much tax if any to do it, so in that respect Norway is still waaaaaaay ahead of us.

 

[hifiandmtb]

Oh don’t get me wrong, Straya sucks balls when it comes to impact per capita to the environment.

But Norway is very clever in marketing themselves - they have done extraordinarily well from polluting this planet & simultaneously being seen as a green entity. They are truly masterful.


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[Dales Cannon]

Sustainability isnt about power it is about waste minimisation overall. Get tge simple shit right first.

 

[Skydome]

Sustainability isnt about power it is about waste minimisation overall. Get tge simple shit right first.

actually power is also another part of been sustainable along with not over doing your consumption on tree based shit which is why i mentioned going towards hemp paper to help ease deforestation.

The other is not fucking and multiplying like the plague and not taking up too much land because currently we're just spreading out and taken over what used to be good farming bush and forest land.

And of course the other big one is reducing wastage and making sure nothing or at least very very very little is wasted, because currently we waste a lot of food that could otherwise, if we gave a shit, be shipped off to Africa, I'm sure they'd be A-ok with food that was a bit old.

 

[John U]

If the human race wants to survive it will need to overcome a lot of its instincts. Fucking (well, reproducing), fighting, and consuming, will all need to be minimised.