COVID-19: who’s going full doomsday prep on this?

Scotty T

Walks the walk
Watching a webinar right now through work (CSIRO) on the vaccines from our top people working on it. Really interesting. Some takeaways I can paraphrase:

The 90% of a nation comment, it's more the density of non vaccinated than the total number which will make the difference.

Herd immunity, we're not cattle. It's about protecting the vulnerable with the first generation of this, and constant improvement and monitoring will continue to ensure variants aren't compromising the vaccines.

Immunised passing it on without getting sick, not a huge concern if the majority of vulnerable people are vaccinated, and a boost in immunity for those who are vaccinated.

Continuing to practice prevention (masks, distancing, hygeine) is a big part of this.

Nobody should be concerned about how quick the vaccine has been developed, the worldwide effort has been unprecedented, a lot of research on SARS and MERS vaccines previously failed have informed the work and made it happen faster.

Work happening on how to make travel safe, multi layered approach, better managed quarantine, which may be a part of travel for quite a while.

We will see more zoonotic diseases, lots of work based on what's happened in the last year going on to improve the response and resilience.

We're quite lucky to be in Australia.
 

hifiandmtb

Sphincter beanie
Nobody should be concerned about how quick the vaccine has been developed, the worldwide effort has been unprecedented, a lot of research on SARS and MERS vaccines previously failed have informed the work and made it happen faster.

We will see more zoonotic diseases, lots of work based on what's happened in the last year going on to improve the response and resilience.
We've never had mRNA vaccines before.

Yeah we've doing an awesome job. Can't wait to see this continue :oops:
 

ualf

Likes Dirt
Watching a webinar right now through work (CSIRO) on the vaccines from our top people working on it. Really interesting. Some takeaways I can paraphrase:
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Any mention of concerns with population immunity to the pre-existing endemic coronaviruses ( common cold ) waning due to all the efforts to suppress COVID 19?
 

Scotty T

Walks the walk
We've never had mRNA vaccines before.

Yeah we've doing an awesome job. Can't wait to see this continue :oops:
Not commercially however they are also not entirely new, in the talk there was mention of what's said in the facts highlight box on this page.

From what I gather (and not from the talk) previous mRNA vaccines were for diseases not as prevalent or infectious as COVID so they didn't get to market.

Something that was mentioned was the false HIV positive, which was for a particular test used widely in poorer countries where HIV is prevalent, being a driver for that one not going ahead.

Any mention of concerns with population immunity to the pre-existing endemic coronaviruses ( common cold ) waning due to all the efforts to suppress COVID 19?
It wasn't mentioned.
 

Nambra

Definitely should have gone to specsavers
Something that was mentioned was the false HIV positive, which was for a particular test used widely in poorer countries where HIV is prevalent, being a driver for that one not going ahead.
That was the University of Qld one. Apparently they used a protein from the HIV to make their Covid vaccine, and it was predicted that a potential downside was false positives for HIV. They were obviously disappointed by this as the efficacy looked promising.

https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2020/12/update-uq-covid-19-vaccine
 
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hifiandmtb

Sphincter beanie
Not commercially however they are also not entirely new, in the talk there was mention of what's said in the facts highlight box on this page.

From what I gather (and not from the talk) previous mRNA vaccines were for diseases not as prevalent or infectious as COVID so they didn't get to market.

Something that was mentioned was the false HIV positive, which was for a particular test used widely in poorer countries where HIV is prevalent, being a driver for that one not going ahead.



It wasn't mentioned.
Cool then no widespread mRNA data. Let’s see what happens.
 

Elbo

pesky scooter kids git off ma lawn
Wasn't much climate data 50 years ago either but science was right about that. Einstein had no data at all but just recently we got the data to prove gravitational waves. We'll see what happens, my money is on science being right, again.
The science of the gaps argument.
 

SummitFever

Eats Squid
What choice do we have? We could do a 4 week global lockdown and eradicate covid 19 or we rely on the science. Even though the testing time frames have been greatly reduced compared to the normal process, the sheer amount of brainpower and resources that have been thrown at the problem far exceeds what goes into your 'average' vaccine.
 

Dales Cannon

lightbrain about 4pm
Staff member
What choice do we have? We could do a 4 week global lockdown and eradicate covid 19 or we rely on the science. Even though the testing time frames have been greatly reduced compared to the normal process, the sheer amount of brainpower and resources that have been thrown at the problem far exceeds what goes into your 'average' vaccine.
Fine theory but that would require compliance so would never happen.
 
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