The election thread - Two middle-late aged white men trying to be blokey and convincing..., same old shit, FFS.

[moorey]

Also, don't be a fuckwit, it's pretty clear I'm being facetious there.

Is it?

 

[Haakon]

So is it an end of world situation if we don't act now or not?

It is the end of the world as we know it, yes. The loss is extreme.

 

[moorey]

Also, don't be a fuckwit, it's pretty clear I'm being facetious there.

Is it?

 

[Haakon]

You didnt answer the question. Preferences flow, it is the nature of the system. Highest % of Pauline voters was in northern NSW?

Dont know that level of detail someone else might chime in or look up the AEC site. I tuned out of the details after I turned off the TV when dutton came on having won with an increased margin... I hit the good whisky at that point.

 

[slowmick]

The aftermath of this election has me thinking about the demise Australian Car Industry. There were many vocal and passionate supporters on both sides of the argument but ultimately the choice was made that the Australian public, for whatever reason not to support it any longer.

Maybe 3 years gives us a chance to develop a charismatic leader that the whole country can rally behind, not leaving is with a 50/50 proposition on the eve of election night. Neither of the two main parties were bringing us visions of the future. I don't think you can blame the electorate when they have to choose the least worst answer.

 

[DeBloot]

To me it's about more than climate as well

It's the 'get a go if you have a go' mantra
Fuck me, if that's not a call to the privileged i don't know what is

Some poor fuckers are given no go in life to have a go to start with
Every single liberal voter i know (and I know a few) have no idea how hard it is to start off with a shit upbringing
And I don't necessarily mean low socio-economic - I mean from the many marginalised groups that the LNP ignore

 

[Zaf]

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[pink poodle]

What a fucking joke, the most conservative guy on the entire site is the greenest.

I'd wager there's some contenders for both end of those claims...I was recently told my electricity bill was too low to qualify for the pay early discounts being thrown around.

there have even been people openly praising Socialism in this very thread.

I make no apologies for that either. I absolutely believe that we should have a constitutional guarantee of things like universal healthcare, free education, centralised ownership of electricity, gas, and water generation/supply, and other similar things that under pin a stable and prosperous country. Remove access to this kind of thing from people and it's a slippery slope to chaos. I draw the line at authoritarian dictatorships and only being able to purchase governement brand coffee.

 

[DeBloot]

Careful there @DeBloot, you almost got some dirt on that lovely white armour.

And don't let your privilege get in the way of a good argument either mate
And before you go on one of your long rants about what a great guy you are
Privilege come in all forms, not just those that are obvious

 

[DeBloot]

Oh I ride my bike to work and feed my veges shit from my compost toilet - so fuck you socialists
That's the thing about conservatives
They've all done it harder and better than everyone else, but have no idea how hard people can really do it

 

[Haakon]

To me it's about more than climate as well

It's the 'get a go if you have a go' mantra
Fuck me, if that's not a call to the privileged i don't know what is

Some poor fuckers are given no go in life to have a go to start with
Every single liberal voter i know (and I know a few) have no idea how hard it is to start off with a shit upbringing
And I don't necessarily mean low socio-economic - I mean from the many marginalised groups that the LNP ignore

It helps them justify the mean “what’s mine is mine” attitude. And ignoring their own reliance on a functioning inclusive and suitably funded society and social services.

 

[Zaf]

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[Haakon]

How is a rural living, public schooled, first generation child of an illiterate/innumerate family every supposed to get anywhere in life unless you save them?! Tell me?! How can anybody get anywhere in life unless you're there to virtue signal them into a safety and prosperity!!!

I can't go on a long rant about what a great guy I am because I'm not. I struggle with my flaws and my mistakes on a daily basis. I am driven to try and balance how much misery and joy I have brought into the world; one which I feel is greatly out of balance. I've never claimed otherwise.

Now I better get back to reveling in my privilege, and keeping the little man down and smoking cigars and laughing at the poor. Or whatever it is you guys think I do.

@pink poodle I had started replying to your last post but got distracted. I'll try again later.

Lots of us drag ourselves out of poverty and don't stay there like a great many do. Some of those stay there because they're lazy or dumb, but a lot stay because of bad luck or lack of opportunity or simply they can never get beyond just keeping it together day to day.

All of which is beside the point that society as a whole benefits when there is help for those people, whether or not they "deserve it".

Even if its one less drug dealer to mug you, but more often is people will give back to society more than society invests in helping them up.

 

[Calvin27]

There are two types of liberals - those who made it under tough circumstances and think 'well if i can do it so can everyone else'. The other is those with silver spoon in their mouth thinking life is easy, it's hard for others because they are slack.

 

[moorey]

There are two types of liberals - those who made it under tough circumstances and think 'well if i can do it so can everyone else'. The other is those with silver spoon in their mouth thinking life is easy, it's hard for others because they are slack.

Liberals, or ‘liberals’?

 

[Haakon]

Liberals, or ‘liberals’?

The beige chinos and sports jacket sort.

 

[pink poodle]

smoking cigars

Well now I wouldn't mind a cigar and a cognac!

 

[Calvin27]

Liberals, or ‘liberals’?

I made no mention of man buns and vegan-democracy sausages...

 

[DeBloot]

How is a rural living, public schooled, first generation child of an illiterate/innumerate family every supposed to get anywhere in life unless you save them?! Tell me?! How can anybody get anywhere in life unless you're there to virtue signal them into a safety and prosperity!!!

I can't go on a long rant about what a great guy I am because I'm not. I struggle with my flaws and my mistakes on a daily basis. I am driven to try and balance how much misery and joy I have brought into the world; one which I feel is greatly out of balance. I've never claimed otherwise.

Now I better get back to reveling in my privilege, and keeping the little man down and smoking cigars and laughing at the poor. Or whatever it is you guys think I do.


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You probably got a hug from your parents rather than a punch in the face
You probably watched your dad kiss your mum rather than beat the shit out of her
You may not have grown up in a house that was thick with the anxiety of impending violence
You may not have had to pick your dad drunk off the floor and make excuses to your friends about why they can't come over
Your teachers probably helped you rather than saying you'll never amount to anything because of your worthless parents
You may not have experienced employers looking favourably on you until they realise you live in a notorious housing commission area
Your problems at home probably haven't led you on a path of self destruction with drugs or alcohol or violent relationships
You probably haven't had people look at you as though you're nothing because of the colour of your skin
You probably haven't had people feel it's ok to call you derogatory names because of skin colour/ family dynamics
You are unlikely to have an endless well of emptiness in your stomach which taints your whole life and leads you to thoughts of suicide
Being a bloke, you are unlikely to get yourself into a terrible relationship and then have a child which you are left to look after but not the skills to do it capably

These are a few of the many reasons which can cause some people to lead the sorts of lives others look down their nose at
There's daffodils and dandelions in life
The dandelions will get by no matter what their upbringing (to a certain extent), while the daffodils thrive with love, but wilt when subjected to any of those situations above

Australia is a great and prosperous country, and anyone not subjected to the situations above or similar, I consider privileged
And it's these marginalised people I believe we have a duty to look after as much as we can because there but for the grace of the devil go I

And I'm not personally attacking you Zaf - the white armour comment is a red rag to a bull though

 

[johnny]

There's lots of generalising of others going on in this thread, which I think is unbecoming of many of those making them. Comes across as a bit of holier-than-thou-sim. If it was based on skin colour or gender..., you get the rest.

I also think that the term virtue signaling is often used as a way to discredit people's arguments (like political correctness, etc.) much in the way that assumptions of privilege can be.