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I think if you were going to use a car analogy here, the kinds of weapons used by the school shooter and that guy in Vegas might be more equivalent to a track car. So something you can own and use at particular locations with professional oversight, not drive on the public road.There are many reasons for semi autos, be it for target shooting, hunting etc all of which do require reasonably fast follow up shots, then there's the reason that some people just like them.
I don't see any reason for v8's or higher unless you regularly do pretty hefty towing but I won't ever advocate to have them restricted from the average joe that doesn't "Need" them per se.
I had no idea the Kiwis had such easy access to this stuff. I'm assuming it's not like the US where you can stroll in to Wal Mart and stock up with everything you need in every other suburb?New Zealand still allows these rifles to the average punter under their standard car A licence but they are only allowed to have a 10 round mag in it on cat A which imo is fine, but if you apply for the E Endorsement (I think it was) you are allowed to have semi autos with a collapsible stock and a 30 round mag.
Heck, you can even have machine guns there if you can statisfy the reason lol.
What kind of time frame would you put on solving this? If it is indeed the easier or fairer solution, perhaps restrict access to the guns until all mental health issues are resolved. Then make the guns available again. The NRA and the bleeding hearts meeting in the middle!Why kill loads of people to begin with? What drives someone to do this? is the reason treatable?
Focus on that.
School shooters seem to largely be middle class white boys with legally owned weapons. Cutting their supply seems like a relatively easy place to start.the major issue with gun related deaths in the U.S is gang warfare, so by solving that issue and satisfying the jobless issues in poor african/latino communities where the majority of the violence occurs you will find America isn't that violent.
Since Port Arthur in Aus we've probably lost less people to the shootings you describe in all that time than America has lost in the last week. Scale it back a bit for the population size difference and we are still a long way ahead.Do do you actually believe we don't have access to firearms in Australia? I think everyone just puts blinkers on when they talk about Australia's restrictions, and instantly forget things like the Monash University Shootings, the Sydney Lindt Cafe Seige, Hectorville, Hunt Family, etc (as if Port Arthur was the last!). as if the ban actually magics them out of existence or something. I'm guessing you think because Marijuana is a "banned" substance you can't access that either?
These kinds of fucked up events will happen, you can't legislate against them because they're outside the bell curve to begin with. You're definitely not going to stop it by enacting laws on people not trying to subvert them to begin with.
What are you hoping to achieve? Or moreso, what possible good do you think a ban would do? Try and keep how well Prohibition worked, and the War on Drugs is working, in mind when you answer that question.
Aren't the semis that Brevik used illegal or at least highly restricted in Australia? If so, that would require a strong imagination to think of it occurring here.
Respectfully? I don't think so, that was a huge over reaction to me saying "I was under the impression that......, is that correct?". It was a simple question asking if what I thought was right, assuming that given you cited those cases you might actually have that info at hand. And you accuse me of bias?Respectfully, if that is a point you wish to assert, I'd suggest you supply supporting evidence for it, rather than asking for someone else to prove it or disprove it. Further, if you want to ask the question, ask the question, don't pose a hypothesis and then ask for evidence to support it. Not that everyone isn't already wearing their biases quite openly, but the sake of a civil discussion you can at least pretend you're interested in actually finding the answer regardless of its outcome instead of overtly trying to justify your position.
The Vegas shooter wasn't from understanding using mil specced firearms, I believe he was using civilian legal firearms with a bumpinator on it.I think if you were going to use a car analogy here, the kinds of weapons used by the school shooter and that guy in Vegas might be more equivalent to a track car. So something you can own and use at particular locations with professional oversight, not drive on the public road.
Don't agree with this either. That would just create an easy target for criminals to hit.Perhaps a solution to allow people to own this kind of weapon could be that it needs to be stored and used at the gun club, not at home. As some above have alluded to, when there is a laissez faire attitude to safety around guns, shit is going to go wrong eventually.
Only gun shops, similar to here but with more freedom on what you can actually own.I had no idea the Kiwis had such easy access to this stuff. I'm assuming it's not like the US where you can stroll in to Wal Mart and stock up with everything you need in every other suburb?
Once they are of legal age for a cat A license they can actually own a 10 shot AR-15 and store it at home and currently on cat A it doesn't even have to be registered.If any teenage New Zealander can pop out and buy an AR-15 and keep it at home, then perhaps their gun culture is very different to that of the Americans.
Sure but I always get annoyed when people use America as an example for not relaxing our firearm laws when we are more similar to Kiwis.Different problems need different solutions.
As long as it takes but for as along as people are getting distracted by doing things that won't solve the root cause the longer things won't change.What kind of time frame would you put on solving this?
Not ever going to happen, and even if it does I will guarantee you it won't be reversed, or at least not easily.If it is indeed the easier or fairer solution, perhaps restrict access to the guns until all mental health issues are resolved. Then make the guns available again. The NRA and the bleeding hearts meeting in the middle!
What constitutes gun access though? this is very broad wording depending on who you ask and in any case, no significant gun control reform will ever get through in the states so both sides might as well focus on mental health issues inequality and agency communication because this school shooter was alerted to the FBI prior and the FBI failed to do anything, similar deal with other school shooters, FBI was either tipped off or the person was known to the FBI but the FBI did nothing or they had no communication on mental health or crime related issues a shooter had done in other states due to communication issues and etc.As I said before, this doesn't need to be an either/or solution. Clearly there is work to be done on mental health and social inclusion. Absolutely work on that. Congress isn't paralysed in the meantime, so they can look at gun access issues at the same time.
Not really, otherwise it would have happened already and most of these shooters seem to have mental health or inclusion issues any way.School shooters seem to largely be middle class white boys with legally owned weapons. Cutting their supply seems like a relatively easy place to start.
And the chunk of the firearm deaths are in these poor communities yet we've seen consecutive governments not caring about these communities or the deaths to firearms that happen every night in these communities.Gang warfare with illegal guns is obviously a whole other issue. Solving inequality in those communities is another thing Congress could be doing something about. Not really something Trump has much interest in I suspect.
1. Stop high school students from carrying out massacres of children in schoolsJust to reset on all this and get back onto OP's topic line.
1. What is the problem you're trying to solve?
2. How large is the problem?
3. How do you propose to fix it?
4. Do you think what you have proposed is actually achievable?
5. Why will this fix work?