COVID-19: who’s going full doomsday prep on this?

Tubbsy

Packin' a small bird
Staff member
Why don't we just close this thread? Clearly anyone below a nurse/epidemiologist/immunologist isn't qualified to comment on or interpret any scientific literature. So what are we all doing here?
Sorry but that's a straw man I didn't build.
 

Squidfayce

Eats Squid
This is interesting... (In Vic). Look at the difference in <20 age group (mum and dad make the booking, take them to the GP) vs the 20-30 (I'm fine, won't catch it, plus I'm young and fit so it's basically just a flu anyway, and Joe Rogan said vaccines are bad). Still 80+% in all brackets, but the diff is interesting. Do wonder if the proportionally longer lead time to 2nd dose in 20-30 reflects more AZ coverage though.



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what are the numbers in the cell representative of?
 

Squidfayce

Eats Squid
Why don't we just close this thread? Clearly anyone below a nurse/epidemiologist/immunologist isn't qualified to comment on or interpret any scientific literature. So what are we all doing here?
in your last post you asked not to be insulted, then you make this post witch is literally begging for it.
 

Elbo

pesky scooter kids git off ma lawn
Sorry but that's a straw man I didn't build.
Not directed at you, I just quoted you for context.
This was the literal rebuttal to the video I posted...
This guy is a nurse for fucks sake, and you are an ignoramus.
If a nurse can't interpret scientific data, then what are we doing here?
How can anyone on this forum know whether an interpretation of any data by anyone is true and correct?
 

Squidfayce

Eats Squid
Why don't we just close this thread? Clearly anyone below a nurse/epidemiologist/immunologist isn't qualified to comment on or interpret any scientific literature. So what are we all doing here?
ill try and answer this without being rude.

anyone without a degree in a topic can be knowledge enough to discuss any topic. BUt for the discussion to be anything productive, it assumes that all parties have a level of critical thinking that can differentiate between fact and fiction.

Sometimes people can be taken in by fiction. Its happened through out history. This is not new. sometimes fiction can masquerade as ground breaking information and be professionally presented, but it doesn't make it so. Just because some people aren't as easily duped by the fiction doesn't mean they should be excluded from having productive conversations about the topic. That's not on them.

TO give some context, here is a journal published in SAGE. Take a read and tell me if you think this is legit or a joke?
Glaciers, gender, and science: A feminist glaciology framework for global environmental change research

- full doc here

Sage link here -
 

Freediver

I can go full Karen
Not directed at you, I just quoted you for context.
This was the literal rebuttal to the video I posted...

If a nurse can't interpret scientific data, then what are we doing here?
How can anyone on this forum know whether an interpretation of any data by anyone is true and correct?
By reading the papers yourself and seeing how any conclusions drawn differ from that of the authors.
Why would you go with the opinion of one nurse who has clearly misinterpreted data and quotes from papers that have been retracted over the opinion of thousands of other nurses?
 

Squidfayce

Eats Squid
By reading the papers yourself and seeing how any conclusions drawn differ from that of the authors.
Why would you go with the opinion of one nurse who has clearly misinterpreted data and quotes from papers that have been retracted over the opinion of thousands of other nurses?
and doctors, and epedimologists and scientists and by the people who make the fricken stuff.
 

Tubbsy

Packin' a small bird
Staff member
I can understand a reluctance to trust Big Pharma's motives in a general sense, but to think that all over the globe specialist scientists, ICU doctors and policy makers are collectively in on it, or have somehow fallen for a sales pitch, just isn't credible.
 

Freediver

I can go full Karen
Glaciers, gender, and science: A feminist glaciology framework for global environmental change research

- full doc here

Sage link here -
That just collapsed a part of my brain that I'm a little worried I might need in the future.
 

SummitFever

Eats Squid
I can understand a reluctance to trust Big Pharma's motives in a general sense, but to think that all over the globe specialist scientists, ICU doctors and policy makers are collectively in on it, or have somehow fallen for a sales pitch, just isn't credible.
Exactly. Why invent an unnecessary conspiracy? I don't blindly trust big phara (or anyone for that matter) but that doesn't mean I'll jump to some sort of conclusion that isn't evidence based. There is now a sufficient body of data on vaccinated v. unvaccinated outcomes that it is totally clear that the vaccines are effective. Maybe they're not as effective as claimed. Maybe big pharma have gilded the lilly in their data but that doesn't mean that if they're off in their data that you throw the baby out with the bath water.

What is often found in a critique by a crackpot is some little piece of the puzzle that might be untrue (or ambiguous) which is then latched onto and used as evidence that the whole thing is untrue. This is bullshit. It's a bit like claiming newtonian physics is a crock of shit because it breaks down as you approach the speed of light.
 

Dales Cannon

lightbrain about 4pm
Staff member
Don't take this the wrong way as I have the utmost respect for nurses. I think as a profession they cop a lot of unnecessary angst and shit from their jobs and do not get paid nearly enough for what they do.

But...

A nurse's training is applied medicine and it does not include medical science to a point where they can interpret technical papers and pass judgement on immunologists and specialists who have invested many many years after a degree in specialisation. You know 3 or 4 years vs 10 plus at a totally different level. Some may well be capable but this sounds like a friend of my niece who is an RN and is refusing to get vaccinated because it is full of bad shit, she is also one who posts on arsehatbook about the mercury and aluminium in other drugs and vaccines.

A good friend who is a nurse was offered a role to introduce some diagnostic equipment at a number of hospitals. Effectively she did a full year of training (6 months tag along and 6 months at the factory) before going solo on that specific equipment, not because she needed to know how the 1s and 0s turned the input into output but because someone somewhere would ask all sorts of background questions on the equipment and just knowing how to plug it in and operate it wasn't appropriate. She was presenting to nursing staff, medicos and admin personnel and needed to know enough to cover off.
 

link1896

Mr Greenfield
Exactly. Why invent an unnecessary conspiracy? I don't blindly trust big phara (or anyone for that matter) but that doesn't mean I'll jump to some sort of conclusion that isn't evidence based. There is now a sufficient body of data on vaccinated v. unvaccinated outcomes that it is totally clear that the vaccines are effective. Maybe they're not as effective as claimed. Maybe big pharma have gilded the lilly in their data but that doesn't mean that if they're off in their data that you throw the baby out with the bath water.

What is often found in a critique by a crackpot is some little piece of the puzzle that might be untrue (or ambiguous) which is then latched onto and used as evidence that the whole thing is untrue. This is bullshit. It's a bit like claiming newtonian physics is a crock of shit because it breaks down as you approach the speed of light.
I'm still waiting for the explanation from the F-18 pilots mysterious sightings....


All jokes/ribbings aside, spot on. Calling into question 2% of the puzzle doesn't discredit the entire body of work. I'd be very confident betting that Pfizer et al have fudged the numbers slightly. But net benefit is still apparent.

Now if someone could please explain to me how my friend (and that's now becoming a long stretch), who's a practising ED nurse is the USA, 3 years out of training, can be ardently anti vax. I'm lost. I am more lost then poodle at a cyclocross event on that one.
 
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