Thanks yeah didn't think of the bar width aspect, would be just raceface atlas riser so 785mm. I had a feel of a friends large M3, but he had clips and the TT is two inches longer than a small.Get a medium buddy, unless you prefer a top tube that's too short. If you have a small that you are considering buying you'll get away with it as long as you have very wide bars.
Right, yeah thanks. no mediums for sale at the moment so yeah am trying the small.I'm 6 foot and used to ride a small with no problems. I liked the smaller frame. If you are getting a good deal on a small, go for i.t
Yeah thanks, I'm on a small commencal supreme DH 2007 atm, and from what I can tell it is 565mm tt for small and 584mm for the larger. The small intense is 558mm tt or 22 inches.Im. A commencal similar height the TT is 584 and fits perfect. Not sure if that will give some sort of guide or not. If you are on the upper limit of small most frames have some cross over so your probbly better on a Medium. But Anyway on the V2 commencal a 584 fits well I wouldn't go Any smaller.
The next size up with commencal is a TT of 603 and was way way too Big
Depends where you ride I am near Sydney and we have a good 6 - 8 downhill tracks locally. They are let's say secret and not on private property. Just need to find the right group of riders near you.ok, thanks. I guess in sydney it ends up being a lot more freeride than downhill riding.
I'll have a ride of the Supreme again locally and measure it well and make a decision.
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Yes I was just referring to the size issue how you said it would be more bareable having a small frame when freeriding as opposed to racing/ downhilling. There aren't that many DH tracks you can do runs with a car at, afaik.Depends where you ride I am near Sydney and we have a good 6 - 8 downhill tracks locally. They are let's say secret and not on private property. Just need to find the right group of riders near you.
Also if your idea of freeride is just drops jumps and north shore stuff a dh bike can do all that easily you only need to see the redbull rampage and watch some of those boys on dh bikes smashing it up. Don't get me wrong fr bikes are better but dh bikes are easily as capable if your bar rotation isn't a concern.
That's what I found when I built Up my V10. When I first sat on it, I thought OMG, I've got the wrong size, but when I rode it standing up if felt perfect. The seating was just designed more forward n higher, it's like 2 bikes, sitting feel very XC, standing like a DH goobler. Also, you have a different body position when riding slow standing than at speed. The latter you squat/sit in the bike more, this is where that bit of length comes in. FEEL is such a huge factor as there are so many variables at play in my opinion. If it was me n I had to choose, I think I'd rather a bit too big than a bit too small,,,,IMO when measuring up a downhill bike TT length is far less important than with an XC or road bike. You want the bike to work when you are standing, not sitting and pedalling, a way of doing this is to look at the 'reach' and 'stack'. This is all based on an article I read years ago - I think Turner bikes were pushing this system.
Reach being - Imagine two vertical lines running through the centre lines of cranks and bar - measure horizontal distance between these two lines.
Stack - Imagine two horizontal lines running through the centre lines of cranks and bar - measure verticle distance between these two lines.
The comparison between these two measurements may assist more in comparing how down hill bikes will fit when you are out of the saddle than a simple TT measurement.
I know, I can't really get the downtube length, from which I can get the reach, which is really why I was hoping someone Sydney way had one. I know the vtt is the horizontal length from the middle of the headset to the middle of the seat post, parallel to the ground, and I know it really is only strictly relevant for xc, and gives a rough indication for DH. The stack height would be with the 08 boxxer wc's and no spacers probably, and atlas 785mm bars with a funn 40mm dm stem I'd say. I believe the intense chart below is for virtual tt as they have a large bend in the middle.IMO when measuring up a downhill bike TT length is far less important than with an XC or road bike. You want the bike to work when you are standing, not sitting and pedalling, a way of doing this is to look at the 'reach' and 'stack'. This is all based on an article I read years ago - I think Turner bikes were pushing this system.
Reach being - Imagine two vertical lines running through the centre lines of cranks and bar - measure horizontal distance between these two lines.
Stack - Imagine two horizontal lines running through the centre lines of cranks and bar - measure verticle distance between these two lines.
The comparison between these two measurements may assist more in comparing how down hill bikes will fit when you are out of the saddle than a simple TT measurement.
Yeah I figured, thanks. I'll have to try and get out for a ride with you some time, seems I'd find some good trails and good info !Oh also when I mention TT I am refering to the virtual TT not actual. VTT is a better measure.
I think I'll pm you if that's okHey mate, I've got a small Intense SS2 if you wanted to have a sit on for size.
Yeah, I know a med is ideal. But beggars can't be choosers, at least at the moment.That's what I found when I built Up my V10. When I first sat on it, I thought OMG, I've got the wrong size, but when I rode it standing up if felt perfect. The seating was just designed more forward n higher, it's like 2 bikes, sitting feel very XC, standing like a DH goobler. Also, you have a different body position when riding slow standing than at speed. The latter you squat/sit in the bike more, this is where that bit of length comes in. FEEL is such a huge factor as there are so many variables at play in my opinion. If it was me n I had to choose, I think I'd rather a bit too big than a bit too small,,,,