indica
Serial flasher
No other human powered event has a motor category
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teK--
Eats Squid
Thats the best argument I've seen so far... How about motor assisted rowing?
Gripo
Eats Squid
All normal...I'm a Qlder, live in the hills, play banjo, listen to christian sermons on AM radio and a swinging voter between LNP and Australia Party...
There's no lefty view on motorized bicycles for me..."taken our trails"
pink poodle
気が狂っている男
Like mobility scooters?
Masturbation racing sometimes involves vibrators.
*Takin'
Farkin' Queenslanders.
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cokeonspecialtwodollars
Fartes of Portingale
Spectator sport?
jackthelad23
Likes Bikes
Ebike madness
i have epilepsy and cerebral palsy, a perfect candidate for an Ebike, i'd prefer to earn my turns, and be bagged by my mates, for being slowest up or down the hills. its a part of my rides, i don't care to just pull a lever to go up faster than my freinds , just my 2 cents
Snapcatcher
Likes Bikes
The way some people are carrying on, you would think that regular MTBers are immune to collisions
pink poodle
気が狂っている男
Of Olympic proportions.
toodles
Wheel size expert
Every time someone calls an e-bike a motorbike, the pro-electric community come back with their "pedal assist" rubbish like it somehow means you don't have a motor assisting you. Once e-bikes in their current format are accepted (if they ever are) the next obvious step will be increasing the power to pedal ratios. How many kW can you gain from an electric motor before it stops "assisting" you and starts "motorbiking" you?
It's a bloody motorbike, just a silent one that can also run in pedal mode. Stop kidding yourselves. In a few years there will be 2kW pedal assist bikes and the same arguments will be put forward that they're "just pedal assist".
As for racing, obviously they shouldn't be in the same class - imagine entering a marathon on a Segway? But I'd go so far as to say they shouldn't be on course at the same time. The difference in pace means they stuff up the flow of natural riders and cause a stop-start wave problem.
It's a bloody motorbike, just a silent one that can also run in pedal mode. Stop kidding yourselves. In a few years there will be 2kW pedal assist bikes and the same arguments will be put forward that they're "just pedal assist".
As for racing, obviously they shouldn't be in the same class - imagine entering a marathon on a Segway? But I'd go so far as to say they shouldn't be on course at the same time. The difference in pace means they stuff up the flow of natural riders and cause a stop-start wave problem.
link1896
Mr Greenfield
I entered last years race. I came 1st, 3rd and 7th. For some reason I'm banned from this years event
steve jobs' pancreas
Eats Squid
poor analogy, it would need to be one of those weird elliptical walky pushy things one can only operate when inebriated
pink poodle
気が狂っている男
I think those spring shoes I see videos of people hurting themselves in.
ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
Yes I was, so were my boys... nek minnit, its the Murray Bridge 24hr Pedal prix weekend and apparently someone had volunteered to do pit marshall. I had put my hand up several months ago when #1 son committed to do Pedal Prix, so its daddy duties instead.
Is there a pattern of the date thats its on each year ? I need to get more organised next year, thinking i'm doing races just to have the chair kicked from under me.
Renovations and kids are killing me this year, got the AMBC race this weekend, Pedal Prix 24 next weekend and the Taekwondo Nationals in Bendigo in about 3 weeks, all kids stuff... upside to that is 5 nights in Bright after Bendigo to ride some trails there, then maybe a detour to You Yangs and Forrest on the way home.
silentbutdeadly
has some good things to say
Bugrit! This is our tenth anniversary!
Generally we try for the first weekend of the Victorian school holidays...each and every year.
The Duckmeister
Has a juicy midrange
From past observations and involvements at Murray Bridge it does seem to be a regular clash of dates.
Ideate
Senior Member
Yes, you're right here m8.
Let's get something straight. I am listening and understand what you're saying but your points are mostly invalid.
Old mate Aaron Chase doesn't seem to have issues in tight corners.
Doug from the Cog Bike Cafe doesn't seem to have problems either..
[video=youtube;BjiTen1QZx4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjiTen1QZx4[/video]
I don't have problems in tight corners on the Spit-e but I don't like riding that sort of thing going up hill anyway. Wait a second... Maybe it could be to do with the person riding the bike???? The PEOPLE again!??! I'm not disagreeing there's an obvious 7-10kg weight disadvantage in certain situations but again.. your point is.. what the hell is your point again? Ebike riders need to be registered because they give you problems in tight corners?? No wait. You can only have an ebike if you NEED one (must be disabled) AND you shouldn't be allowed to ride on trails with tight corners??
On top of all this you've also resorted to condescending, patronising, superiority. I was hoping for more conversation like this when I posted my Spit-e but unfortunately no one took the bait so I'm happy to oblige now. Things happen because people like to watch the world burn.
Two things to this..
Pedal assist ebikes have little focus on speed. Yes you can buy a Stealth or strap a 6000w washing machine motor to your bottom bracket but I'm not talking about those types of ebikes and I fully agree that they don't belong on mountain bike trails. The ebikes like the Pivot Shuttle, Merida eOne-Sixty and Specialized Levo however are simply mountain bikes with a sprinkle of Cadel Evans in the drive trail for those thigh burning fireroads and challenging trail climbs. Everything else is completely the same so by your argument, if ebikes are not suited to older style trails then NO modern day mountain bike is suited to older style trails. Newer bikes go faster too don't they? There's arguably more uptake also so more people at shuttle days and on the trail in general? Today's bikes have more grip when climbing and 72t cassettes (faster?) etc. So what's the difference?
Second thing.. Traffic is definitely a bitch. Shuttle days can be hectic as anyone here will know. But everyone usually gets along and for the most part the faster more experienced riders encourage and challenge less skilled riders to progress.. it's a nice warm fuzzy community type thing (sometimes). So again, what do ebikes specifically have to do with more traffic and collisions? Might it be to do MORE with people and their trail sense?
Come on m8.. In another one of Doug's short videos you can see him "virtually spinning" just like everyone else except you're half right.. By the time he reached the top he probably wasn't as exhausted. WHAT A REVELATION!??!?! Do you think he said.. "see ya later, I'm dropping in while you fuck wits take a 5 minute smoko. I plan to introduce gaps in the variability of descending riders and to disrupt and unbalance the flow of this trail."
It just seems to me that you're just upset and don't want people to enjoy something that you can't. Or you're upset people have the potential to have more fun than you? Traffic maybe a legitimate point when ebikes become more affordable to the masses but that's what's happening now isn't it? Aldi just had a special on $300 29"ers?? I can't wait to go to the Youies next weekend to see them all patching their tubes in the middle of the track.
Also collisions are not subject to ebikes. Collisions happen because of people, lack of experience and accidents.
Edit: Where can I see this Masturbation racing? I wish to make an analysis on whether a vibrator would give an advantage or not.. ? Racing against someone with an ebike advantage would piss me off.
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ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
It was like... Yeah of course I'll be there and help out, Marshall and whatever else... Im a cyclist, I do cycling things.
Dammit... there goes a race that I haven't done in 3 years due to the Simpson, was really looking forward to the Coomie 3.
ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
Here's 2 points I got from a chat with some big players in the MTB game.
They said...
1) People who are time poor, can cover 40km in 1 hour rather than 20km.
2) There will be twice as many people riding bikes as they now 'can'
That's 4 times the wear on trails if they are right. But regardless of that, my only concern is how we will continue to get access at the rate we are getting it when the uneducated hear there are motors in bikes.
Only 250w... there are bikes out there right now with 500w and others over 1000w.
They said...
1) People who are time poor, can cover 40km in 1 hour rather than 20km.
2) There will be twice as many people riding bikes as they now 'can'
That's 4 times the wear on trails if they are right. But regardless of that, my only concern is how we will continue to get access at the rate we are getting it when the uneducated hear there are motors in bikes.
Only 250w... there are bikes out there right now with 500w and others over 1000w.
I saw the ebikers out there 1 guy and 2 women. Women looked like they were feeling good the dude with the music was suffering.
My initial thought was WTF ebikes at a endurance race and still stand by that. There would be nothing more frustrating than have someone with a motor pass you on a climb then to hold you up on the down. It is different to being passed by a very fit less confident rider at least you can appreciate they passed you with fitness.
A simple no climbing passes rule would possibly remove alot of angst
My initial thought was WTF ebikes at a endurance race and still stand by that. There would be nothing more frustrating than have someone with a motor pass you on a climb then to hold you up on the down. It is different to being passed by a very fit less confident rider at least you can appreciate they passed you with fitness.
A simple no climbing passes rule would possibly remove alot of angst