Electric Vehicles etc

Sky_Collapsed said:
well as im wanting to get into doing a bitt more 4x4'ing it isn't for me and its current range isn't it for me either. they are cool ittle vehicles and i actually do like them. be nice if they come up with a 4x4 version though.
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This is purely an "in my opinion" but I do not want anything the fuck to do with an EV 4x4 for proper off road 4WDing. "Ah yes, lets immerse this vehicle powered by high-voltage electricity in murky bogwater, then bounce its floorpan/battery on sharp rocks, then drive it long distances over bone-shaking corrugations - and all in a vehicle with poor low-speed power delivery when maintaining traction is at its most critical..." what could possibly go wrong? 🤣

Seeing all the niggling electrical issues trucks have when exposed to basic dirt roads and corrugations is enough to put me off owning an EV for offroad 4WDing for a long time to come (and I'm broadly pro-EV otherwise - power grid capacity/capability permitting).
 
beeb said:
This is purely an "in my opinion" but I do not want anything the fuck to do with an EV 4x4 for proper off road 4WDing. "Ah yes, lets immerse this vehicle powered by high-voltage electricity in murky bogwater, then bounce its floorpan/battery on sharp rocks, then drive it long distances over bone-shaking corrugations - and all in a vehicle with poor low-speed power delivery when maintaining traction is at its most critical..." what could possibly go wrong? 🤣

Seeing all the niggling electrical issues trucks have when exposed to basic dirt roads and corrugations is enough to put me off owning an EV for offroad 4WDing for a long time to come (and I'm broadly pro-EV otherwise - power grid capacity/capability permitting).
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Better to drive it through salt water crossings. Saferer.
 
beeb said:
This is purely an "in my opinion" but I do not want anything the fuck to do with an EV 4x4 for proper off road 4WDing. "Ah yes, lets immerse this vehicle powered by high-voltage electricity in murky bogwater, then bounce its floorpan/battery on sharp rocks, then drive it long distances over bone-shaking corrugations - and all in a vehicle with poor low-speed power delivery when maintaining traction is at its most critical..." what could possibly go wrong? 🤣

Seeing all the niggling electrical issues trucks have when exposed to basic dirt roads and corrugations is enough to put me off owning an EV for offroad 4WDing for a long time to come (and I'm broadly pro-EV otherwise - power grid capacity/capability permitting).
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I can see the argument with the vast majority of these but I have a steep terrible condition pea gravel on concrete driveway full of holes that a lot of cars struggle with and my tesla goes up it super easy with essentially no wheelspin and it is 2WD. I have seen AWD and 4WD cars have a lot more bother. Hell I struggle to walk up it without slipping I'm not sure it's possible. I think that the electric motor control can be really very good. I might add that it's extremely boring if you would like the back end to step out as it is essentially impossible.
 
Asininedrivel said:
Would be keen on a Seal wagon if it existed. The sedan had more legroom than the Sealion 7 (just).
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I'm keen on a zeekr 7gt
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beeb said:
This is purely an "in my opinion" but I do not want anything the fuck to do with an EV 4x4 for proper off road 4WDing. "Ah yes, lets immerse this vehicle powered by high-voltage electricity in murky bogwater, then bounce its floorpan/battery on sharp rocks, then drive it long distances over bone-shaking corrugations - and all in a vehicle with poor low-speed power delivery when maintaining traction is at its most critical..." what could possibly go wrong? 🤣

Seeing all the niggling electrical issues trucks have when exposed to basic dirt roads and corrugations is enough to put me off owning an EV for offroad 4WDing for a long time to come (and I'm broadly pro-EV otherwise - power grid capacity/capability permitting).
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You do realize electric vehicles are actually better sealed against water and dirt ingress tthan ice vehicles right?

It'll mostly all come down to suspension now these days.

If you were as pro ev as you claim you would know this and it's not hard to make bash plates.
 
beeb said:
This is purely an "in my opinion" but I do not want anything the fuck to do with an EV 4x4 for proper off road 4WDing. "Ah yes, lets immerse this vehicle powered by high-voltage electricity in murky bogwater, then bounce its floorpan/battery on sharp rocks, then drive it long distances over bone-shaking corrugations - and all in a vehicle with poor low-speed power delivery when maintaining traction is at its most critical..." what could possibly go wrong? 🤣
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EVs are way more controllable at low speeds than ICE cars as their power delivery is completely linear. They also generate max torque from 0 RPM. I've got a towbar fitted to my Nissan Leaf (yeah yeah, was never complianced by Nissan so sue me) and have towed a box trailer full of around 600kg of rocks starting on uphill slippery gravel roads and grass surfaces. It crawled away without a hint of wheelspin unlike my old Corolla wagon which was hopeless towing anything off the tarmac.
 
downunderdallas said:
I can see the argument with the vast majority of these but I have a steep terrible condition pea gravel on concrete driveway full of holes that a lot of cars struggle with and my tesla goes up it super easy with essentially no wheelspin and it is 2WD. I have seen AWD and 4WD cars have a lot more bother. Hell I struggle to walk up it without slipping I'm not sure it's possible. I think that the electric motor control can be really very good. I might add that it's extremely boring if you would like the back end to step out as it is essentially impossible.
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rangersac said:
EVs are way more controllable at low speeds than ICE cars as their power delivery is completely linear. They also generate max torque from 0 RPM. I've got a towbar fitted to my Nissan Leaf (yeah yeah, was never complianced by Nissan so sue me) and have towed a box trailer full of around 600kg of rocks starting on uphill slippery gravel roads and grass surfaces. It crawled away without a hint of wheelspin unlike my old Corolla wagon which was hopeless towing anything off the tarmac.
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It's good to hear that I was wrong on this. I guess I was unfairly basing my assumption off the many videos of Cybertrucks getting stuck in snow/sand/ice/etc... 😅
 
beeb said:
It's good to hear that I was wrong on this. I guess I was unfairly basing my assumption off the many videos of Cybertrucks getting stuck in snow/sand/ice/etc... 😅
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I ended up down a YouTube rabbithole one arvo watching quad motor Rivian R1s scale rocky gradients.

It was borderline alarming entertaining.
 
beeb said:
It's good to hear that I was wrong on this. I guess I was unfairly basing my assumption off the many videos of Cybertrucks getting stuck in snow/sand/ice/etc... 😅
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well for starters the cybertruck isn't a true off roader and i's justt a fashion accessory masquerading as one.
 
beeb said:
It's good to hear that I was wrong on this. I guess I was unfairly basing my assumption off the many videos of Cybertrucks getting stuck in snow/sand/ice/etc... 😅
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I think the biggest thing against having an EV as a cross country touring vehicle is the fact that I could go out my driveway and not go past a charger with more capacity than a 10A power point for three days in any number of directions.

But a basic, affordable and well supported EV ute for an on-farm use would definitely be a game changer. Actually, it'd be a game changer regardless of the engine type...
 
just saw an ad for a mazda 6 electric, looks very nice and not a bad price (54-57 DA). Alas no wagon mentioned, those were a massively underrated car
 
silentbutdeadly said:
I think the biggest thing against having an EV as a cross country touring vehicle is the fact that I could go out my driveway and not go past a charger with more capacity than a 10A power point for three days in any number of directions.

But a basic, affordable and well supported EV ute for an on-farm use would definitely be a game changer. Actually, it'd be a game changer regardless of the engine type...
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Toyota does basic and well supported utes - affordable however not so much..
 
silentbutdeadly said:
I think the biggest thing against having an EV as a cross country touring vehicle is the fact that I could go out my driveway and not go past a charger with more capacity than a 10A power point for three days in any number of directions.

But a basic, affordable and well supported EV ute for an on-farm use would definitely be a game changer. Actually, it'd be a game changer regardless of the engine type...
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Wouldn't a Shark fit that use case?

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silentbutdeadly said:
Not this generation. At least on my uninformed read. I suspect that the next version will significantly take up the slack in the specifications though.
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We are 100% happy with ours and what we do, but I do agree, the next will be betterer. Wouldn't say they missed the mark, but Gen 2 will rattle a few cages.

I know I've said it before, we can go Red Cliffs - Mildura and back twice on one charge.
 
beeb said:
drive it long distances
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Based on my limited experience with a mates Shark in the Vic high country - it's kind of surprising how efficient electric motors are compared to ICE in a 4wd setting. They are more efficient at climbing because torque is instant and their traction control is much much better - a lot less wasted energy. In terms of overall range, the low speed actualyl works in their favor. EVs are worse than ICE at high speeds, but low speeds they are fairly efficient - add to this they regen like mad on the downhills. The shark recovered a fair bit of the energy going back down so some of that gets returned extending your range. Still, doesn't change that range overall is a still a problem in really remote areas. I don't really have aversions to using a petrol/diesel gen to etend EV range for any true offroader though.
 
I heard the new Shark comes around mid year, 3.5t towing and significant range upgrade - Don't quote me on this as I was only half listening to the convo
 
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