Scotty T
Walks the walk
Yep mine was the 318is M42. Still the new motor will be much better, 168Kw and 612Nm, 48kg and the size of a food dehydrator, it should make E30 M3's look a bit slow.
Electric Vehicles etc
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Haakon
has an accommodating arse
EVO Report 2023 | BloombergNEF | Bloomberg Finance LP
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Haakon
has an accommodating arse
California governor orders ban on sale of gas-only cars within 15 years
Gavin Newsom says ‘we can’t continue down this path’ as state grapples with historic fires and record temperatures
www.theguardian.com
rowdyflat
chez le médecin
He correct, its a good policy but 15 years is far away.California governor orders ban on sale of gas-only cars within 15 years
Gavin Newsom says ‘we can’t continue down this path’ as state grapples with historic fires and record temperatures
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Not so far in the world of automotive product cycles, and the turnover rate of the fleet - although the latter doesn't stop you banning new sales now.
SummitFever
Eats Squid
They would be better off concentrating on ways to avoid people driving ANY cars. Working from home and better public transport could reduce emissions far more than making new cars. The person that has an old car that rarely drives it is far less of an environmental vandal than someone that leases an EV and updates it every 3 years.
hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
^^^ This.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Should be doing both.
hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
Yeah, don't do only the best solution.
Let's do all the solutions.
Let's do all the solutions.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Yes. we can walk and chew gum as the saying goes.
hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
No, we should listen to the science & implement policy that will give us this outcome:
Will allowing everyone to purchase an EV help or hinder us creating the outcome circled in green?
Will allowing everyone to purchase an EV help or hinder us creating the outcome circled in green?
Given that passenger vehicles contribute less than 10% of our emissions (Source: DoE 2014a; Treasury and DIICCSRTE 2013), EV vs. ICE will have a very minor impact on that trend.
INB4 - yes every little bit helps, just highlighting that the light passenger vehicle market is a very small part of the wider goal to reduce emissions.
hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
How do we know that producing a whole lot of EVs to satisfy a private fleet of ownership will help with the pitch of the curve shown?
That's what I'm arguing - can anyone show some actual number that shows migrating the existing ICE fleet, on typical turnover numbers, will move the curve appropriately?
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Of course it will move it. A bit - as mentioned, passenger cars are a relatively minor part of the issue. The big effort needs to be deforestation and primary energy use - electricity production. But the point is no sector should be focused on at the exclusion of others - they all need effort, at the same time. Some are nicely complementary which is handy though - eg EVs and replacing coal/gas with renewable electricity.
But I can just as easily flip the question and if you can show that it wont help?
I think I largely agree here, decided to see what I could find..
I don't think that it can be argued that lifecycle emissions from EV are less than that of ICE, but there are many varied reports from saying similar emissions to 2-3x less over the vehicle lifecycle.
Just had a look at the ABS figures - interestingly for the 5.74mil vehicles sold in the last 5 years, the number of registered vehicles has only increased 1.8mil in the same time period. So for roughly for each new vehicle purchased, 3 get de-registered..
Making the wild, baseless and probably inaccurate assumption that the trend continues, if all new vehicles purchased were EV's for the next 10 years, being ~11.5mil vehicles, and the total vehicle fleet increases at the same rate to 23.4mil, then ~50% of the national fleet will be EVs.
Using a lifecycle emissions reduction 2x that of ICE (so half), then total transport emissions have reduced 25%..
25% of 10% above is a 2.5% reduction in total emissions in 10 years time...
Again, largely baseless and full of wild assumptions and holes, but maybe an indication?
I don't think that it can be argued that lifecycle emissions from EV are less than that of ICE, but there are many varied reports from saying similar emissions to 2-3x less over the vehicle lifecycle.
Just had a look at the ABS figures - interestingly for the 5.74mil vehicles sold in the last 5 years, the number of registered vehicles has only increased 1.8mil in the same time period. So for roughly for each new vehicle purchased, 3 get de-registered..
Making the wild, baseless and probably inaccurate assumption that the trend continues, if all new vehicles purchased were EV's for the next 10 years, being ~11.5mil vehicles, and the total vehicle fleet increases at the same rate to 23.4mil, then ~50% of the national fleet will be EVs.
Using a lifecycle emissions reduction 2x that of ICE (so half), then total transport emissions have reduced 25%..
25% of 10% above is a 2.5% reduction in total emissions in 10 years time...
Again, largely baseless and full of wild assumptions and holes, but maybe an indication?
hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
Yep.
The chart demands a reduction in emissions that can't be achieved if we simply replace ICE with EV at the same volume of vehicles.
We need to radically reduce the number of vehicles we have, and make those EVs.
The chart demands a reduction in emissions that can't be achieved if we simply replace ICE with EV at the same volume of vehicles.
We need to radically reduce the number of vehicles we have, and make those EVs.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Two things, EVs are markedly better the ICE over its manufacture and use for the typical life of a vehicle.
And dont look at Australia for your data - we are a regressive, small and largely irrelevant market. Look at global markets - they will tell you where we are headed given we are simply a consumer of automotive technology.
rowdyflat
chez le médecin
Quite agree it is much better to have a small ICE car repaired than buy a new EV every 3 years in yuppie style but new pure, not hybrid EVs, are much simpler mechanically and theoretically well made with replacement batteries could do 500,000 km someone has done > 1 million kms.
Also like solar panels on houses ,once someone has an EV they become much more aware of unnecessary driving and economy.