Righto, I'll pencil you in as getting the first PM about it. Now I just have to find something that scratches the new bike itch. I was 90% on a Revel until I rode one, now back to the drawing board. I've been looking at the Trail Pistol but it's really not much different to the Optic so hardly worth changing for, I'll have to do some more googling on the dreaded 'down country' bikes.Ha ha I'm a midget for this place at 175 so M is my letter.