PFAS Chemicals being phased out of Jackets, Bags & Outerwear in general

Haven’t heard great things about the PFAS free outerwear etc in terms of performance. Anyone tried anything yet?
 
ashes_mtb said:
Haven’t heard great things about the PFAS free outerwear etc in terms of performance. Anyone tried anything yet?
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That's a great read..

There is some contrast with level of concern about PTFE in non-stick cookwear.....
one forever chem that is almost ubiquitous in every kitchen is fine.. but all others are bad?
 
oldcorollas said:
That's a great read..

There is some contrast with level of concern about PTFE in non-stick cookwear.....
one forever chem that is almost ubiquitous in every kitchen is fine.. but all others are bad?
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That should be a clue. Expanded PTFE (goretex) Outerwear isn't heated, (maybe apart from when washing it)
whereas Teflon pans are heated and in contact with food, and the coating breaks down, even faster if you don't use wood or plastic utensils, and plastic also doesn't go well with cooking heat & contact with food.
 
ashes_mtb said:
Haven’t heard great things about the PFAS free outerwear etc in terms of performance. Anyone tried anything yet?
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in terms of winter jackets and such, Buffalo (UK) have been doing fibrepile of various warmth levels - with pertex outer shell for ages. Seems to have a cult following. works on the wetsuit principle.

I have a Montane softshell that is the same type of construction. pertex outer shell, microfleece inner. Wore mine for years, then got too fecking fat. works well for hiking, or as a windbreaker.
 
ForkinGreat said:
That should be a clue. Expanded PTFE (goretex) Outerwear isn't heated, (maybe apart from when washing it)
whereas Teflon pans are heated and in contact with food, and the coating breaks down, even faster if you don't use wood or plastic utensils, and plastic also doesn't go well with cooking heat & contact with food.
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that's the thing... breaking PTFE down to partials is bad, while intact teflon is good.. (insoluble)

so PTFE treated outerwear should be safe, and cookware should be bad... but... :p


in 10-15 years, all the fuss will be forgotten, and Influencers will be hawking "Wonder PFAS Pills" to elongate your.. life.. because it never breaks down... 🤣
 
PFC-free outerwear is nothing new. Here's a bit of an overview from a brand I wear. The alternatives can perform really well, I can't find it right now but the US Army conducted a study of various DWR fabrics and eVent was one of those.

PFOA and PFAS are nasty stuff. There were those issues a couple of years ago from fire-fighting foam contamination. Teflon cookware is nasty also shit. I'm not a fan of either. Raw cast iron is a bit of a pain, I prefer enamelled.
 
ozzybmx said:
I actually thought about this last week and cooked my brekky omelette on a SS pan :rolleyes: next day I was back to non-stick :p
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I've got a few solidteknics pans for this very reason they take a bit of work to season but once done and looked after properly they've been great eggs don't stick when cooked.
 
The 2 best technical jackets I own are a North Face summit series Meru and riding, a Gore Bike Wear shake dry bike packing jacket. Ive now had them for many years and they have done their job again and again. Both completely Gore-Tex.
 
I've been running Analon pans for years now. The same pans, bought about ~9 years ago. They have the PTFE, but if they're losing it and I'm consuming it it must be 4/5ths of f***-all, because they're still as non-stick as when I bought them. I've probably absorbed more nasties from gradually wearing down the plastic cooking utensils.

Teflon-coated pans have always been shit though. I have a mate who every couple of years torches or wears out one of his "favourite" pans, then goes on a mission to buy the newest, "best"(est) and incidentally often one of the most expensivest non-stick pans around - and I just think back to the last three times I've recommended him to try Analon (as it's also about 1/4 of the price he's been paying and I'm still using the same pans I've been recommending him all that time without issue). A well seasoned cast-iron pan is great to cook on, but bachelor life dictates I cbf'd with the upkeep. Sometimes I just want to chuck the pan in the dishrack after washing and leave it to airdry instead of having to reheat it.
 
wesdadude said:
PFC-free outerwear is nothing new. Here's a bit of an overview from a brand I wear. The alternatives can perform really well, I can't find it right now but the US Army conducted a study of various DWR fabrics and eVent was one of those.

PFOA and PFAS are nasty stuff. There were those issues a couple of years ago from fire-fighting foam contamination. Teflon cookware is nasty also shit. I'm not a fan of either. Raw cast iron is a bit of a pain, I prefer enamelled.
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eVent is a really good goretex alternative. - But it's still PFAS/ expanded PTFE.
The only eVent fabric that's not ePTFE is their "Alpine ST" fabric.
I read some articles NFI where, that said eVent was a better waterproof/breathable membrane.

DWR is the treatment for the outer face fabric. eVent/goretex/etc is the membrane
 
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Heat the stainless steel pan first until water droplets buzz around it, then add the oil, shit won't stick. Induction hob helps with getting this just right.

Jumped into a LinkedIn convo yesterday where a "healthy home consultant" was saying that induction cooker EMF is dangerous. Recommending that you use a tea towel for picking up the pans so you don't become part of the "circuit" which is utter claptrap. The second best thing about induction cooking is that the pan handles just don't get hot and you don't need a tea towel.
 
Scotty T said:
Heat the stainless steel pan first until water droplets buzz around it, then add the oil, shit won't stick. Induction hob helps with getting this just right.

Jumped into a LinkedIn convo yesterday where a "healthy home consultant" was saying that induction cooker EMF is dangerous. Recommending that you use a tea towel for picking up the pans so you don't become part of the "circuit" which is utter claptrap. The second best thing about induction cooking is that the pan handles just don't get hot and you don't need a tea towel.
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Did you recommend aluminium foil to keep the EMF away from their brain? (May already be too late..)
 
Interesting read!


beeb said:
instead of having to reheat it
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Not sure you're cast ironing right, once seasoned (and used regularly) just needs a scrape off and a wipe down with a coupe of drops of oil (I use a paint scraper and a sheet of paper towel). If it all gets a bit too messy quick rinse with a bit of soapy water.
 
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