hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
Winning slowly is the same as losing.
Plastic bags, climate change, renewable energy,
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Nuclear powered steam locomotion. What could possibly go wrong?
nzhumpy
Googlemeister who likes bikes and scandal
Correct, just ask the Black Caps.
Flow-Rider
Burner
silentbutdeadly
has some good things to say
We call it 'Managing the Decline, Gracefully'.
Buzz Lightyear called it 'Falling. With Style'.
hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
Yes they can. And they should. CO2 emissions are CO2 emissions.
You are making too many other assumptions.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
All models are full of assumptions- the takeout I got from that article was “it depends...”.
But it also makes the point i always have - on their own and with the current grid makeup they’re a marginal improvement (but still an improvement). Especially on a like for like (ie not comparing a polo to a Tesla).
But - EVs only get better as the grid improves, ICE only gets worse. You can decarbonise cars if you go electric, they’re a foundation investment.
But it also makes the point i always have - on their own and with the current grid makeup they’re a marginal improvement (but still an improvement). Especially on a like for like (ie not comparing a polo to a Tesla).
But - EVs only get better as the grid improves, ICE only gets worse. You can decarbonise cars if you go electric, they’re a foundation investment.
hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
You seem to be reading the report wrong.
There are no “it depends”. You choose your scenario & it gives you the answer.
Me, purely based on CO2 emissions, keeping the Polo will result in vastly fewer emissions from here forward than if I bought a new Tesla Model 3 with the big battery pack.
Especially if I don’t use the Polo much.
Buying an EV and keeping it parked on the drive is even worse!
The situation has more input variables of say, the Polo got written off & I needed a new car. I’d still be better off buying another used Polo though.
And investment foundation is only another case of “winning slowly is the same as losing”. I’ll say it again, solving CC will not happen because we all own EVs.
There are no “it depends”. You choose your scenario & it gives you the answer.
Me, purely based on CO2 emissions, keeping the Polo will result in vastly fewer emissions from here forward than if I bought a new Tesla Model 3 with the big battery pack.
Especially if I don’t use the Polo much.
Buying an EV and keeping it parked on the drive is even worse!
The situation has more input variables of say, the Polo got written off & I needed a new car. I’d still be better off buying another used Polo though.
And investment foundation is only another case of “winning slowly is the same as losing”. I’ll say it again, solving CC will not happen because we all own EVs.
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Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Thats basically the textbook definition of "it depends"...?
SummitFever
Eats Squid
The concern with EVs is that they'll result in a big push of consumerism. eg. more new cars will be sold. If you absolutely need a new car, then an EV may be a good choice for the environment, but if all your doing is buying a fashion statement that will make you feel good about buying non-essential stuff then its an environmental disaster.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
That’s a given. There are X billion in China and India entering middle class consumerism, good luck stopping that!! They’re buying cars and all the rest of it anyway, regardless of what powers them.
Better make it decarbonised electricity if you want to stem some of the damage.
hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
@SummitFever Nail, head, hit.
hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
Winning slowly is the same as losing.
If you don’t want to carry out enough to solve CC, fuck it - don’t do anything at all.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Its not a matter of wanting... Sorry dude, really not having a go. I'm just at that point where cynicism seems to be the appropriate approach to retaining a measure of sanity. Its all very fucked, and was irretrievable a long time ago.
Its damage mitigation now, not avoidance.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Was just listening to the radio this morning about whale sharks off ningaloo reef. The big ones are gone because theyre being caught for shark fin soup in asia, which is a minor problem because theyre not sexually mature until 30 years old and 8 metres long...
Bye bye sharkies.... You only survive how many millions of years gently cruising about before the monkeys turned up.
This is part of why i struggle to care about aboriginal stuff - i lump all flavours of humans into the big "you're a bunch of greedy rapacious pricks" bucket. The distinctions below that are marginal at best.
Bye bye sharkies.... You only survive how many millions of years gently cruising about before the monkeys turned up.
This is part of why i struggle to care about aboriginal stuff - i lump all flavours of humans into the big "you're a bunch of greedy rapacious pricks" bucket. The distinctions below that are marginal at best.
Flow-Rider
Burner
Tesla claims that the composition of their batteries makes it more viable to recycle than other brands of cars but I tell you all that the older Toyota Prius's end up at the wreckers because the battery pack replacement exceeds the valve of the car itself, which in my eyes is a big shame to throw away a perfectly working car besides the battery pack.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Thats just because people do the usual "take it to the dealer to get bent over on prices". There are plenty of sources of reconditioned Prius pack vendors - its quite popular in the US in particular to pick up an older Prius with a dead battery for bugger all and do the battery in them. Makes for a super cheap commuter!
edit - 10 seconds on google https://thehybridbattery.com.au
Flow-Rider
Burner
My next door neighbour can get recycled batteries at trade price and not worth him buying them.