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[hifiandmtb]

No, you have to hit mitigation hard and fast with everything you’ve got. Any left over effort can go to adaptation.

Otherwise whatever you spend on adaptation now at the expense of mitigation will be spent a thousand times over in subsequent generations (hot tip - it’s not all about you).

Do both where it doesn’t detract from mitigation for sure.

Fucking well said!

Check this out:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...fire-crews-protect-the-insured-not-the-public

Peeps will start increasingly thinking this way with adaptation instead of mitigation.

Don't take my car, don't take my holiday, don't take my lifestyle - but fucking protect my property!

 

[Haakon]

What we need is a good cold nuclear winter.

Trump is on the case

 

[link1896]

Insurance companies, especially the reinsurance providers, not initially the retailers, have clearly understood where things are headed for a long time and spearheaded (in the commercial space) climate change research decades ago. It’s still humorous to see a filthy rich ceo of an insurance company utterly convinced CC will end us all.

Btw, can we pool our cash and let butt face have an accident. Unbelievable

Barnaby Joyce says NSW bushfire dead 'most likely' voted for the Greens

Nationals MP Barnaby Joyce has blamed the Greens for increasing the risk of bushfires by opposing hazard reduction burns.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[Ultra Lord]

Yeah, those two people voted greens. That’s why they died.

I wish they publicised that last paragraph more, rather than a footnight, the article should have been about ol’ mate calling out Joyce on his bullshit.

 

[Flow-Rider]

No, you have to hit mitigation hard and fast with everything you’ve got. Any left over effort can go to adaptation.

Otherwise whatever you spend on adaptation now at the expense of mitigation will be spent a thousand times over in subsequent generations (hot tip - it’s not all about you).

Do both where it doesn’t detract from mitigation for sure.

Yeah I agree totally !! They should start by turning off all the AC in Parliament house and surrounded buildings and hit all the high paid public servants with a levy to help out third world countries with their CC policies.

 

[hifiandmtb]

Third world countries don't need help - we first world countries need to look within!

 

[Haakon]

Yeah I agree totally !! They should start by turning off all the AC in Parliament house and surrounded buildings and hit all the high paid public servants with a levy to help out third world countries with their CC policies.

I wholly support cutting off services to Parliament House

And make all those bloody tradies ride bikes to work instead of those 4WD ute things...

 

[Flow-Rider]

I wholly support cutting off services to Parliament House

And make all those bloody tradies ride bikes to work instead of those 4WD ute things...

You should see the mess we have up here on Fraser island from this mob, not just the tradie club too I suspect.

Third world countries don't need help - we first world countries need to look within!

Start at the top and work your way down, even have a levy for corporate CEO's to contribute to CC policies. I better shut up now or the AFP is coming for visits .

 

[Haakon]

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Start at the top and work you're way down, even have a levy for corporate CEO's to contribute to CC polices. I better shut up now or the AFP is coming for visits .

 

[pink poodle]

Not again my little friend. Last time was the kind of fucked up trip I don't want to repeat...






*Never do what the green + red shroom says.

 

[Flow-Rider]

I thought a mate was pulling my leg as he was telling me that they gut every catalytic converter on their Taxi's, I asked how do you get the O2 sensor failure code to turn off.

 

[silentbutdeadly]

No, you have to hit mitigation hard and fast with everything you’ve got. Any left over effort can go to adaptation.

Otherwise whatever you spend on adaptation now at the expense of mitigation will be spent a thousand times over in subsequent generations (hot tip - it’s not all about you).

Do both where it doesn’t detract from mitigation for sure.

In an ideal world, we'd do both. Clearly this is not an ideal world. We in Australia could (and should) mitigate but if we do and not enough of anyone else does then we have to adapt...as well as mitigate.

Mitigation has a buyback time measured in centuries (which is why it's unpopular) whereas adaptation has a pricetag that can be eyewatering...and forward planning at the human scale has a maximum possible influence only out to 20 years.

We aren't entirely fucked yet but it is going to be an interesting combination going forward.

 

[Haakon]

In an ideal world, we'd do both. Clearly this is not an ideal world. We in Australia could (and should) mitigate but if we do and not enough of anyone else does then we have to adapt...as well as mitigate.

Mitigation has a buyback time measured in centuries (which is why it's unpopular) whereas adaptation has a pricetag that can be eyewatering...and forward planning at the human scale has a maximum possible influence only out to 20 years.

We aren't entirely fucked yet but it is going to be an interesting combination going forward.

You've been listening to the LNP/murdoch line i fear that we will only be effective if the rest of the world does something too. This is bullshit - the rest of the world is on it and waaaaay ahead of us. We are the laggards here and already mooching off the efforts of others.

 

[hifiandmtb]

Labor is just the same @Haakon.

All the big political parties have ostensibly the same agenda. Small smudgy differences to plant your flag on, but pretty much the same.

We need a biblically heroic response right now - or the face of the planet will be changed forever:

I think that SBD believes we can control the outcome without controlling the outcome. Good luck with that.

 

[link1896]

I thought a mate was pulling my leg as he was telling me that they gut every catalytic converter on their Taxi's, I asked how do you get the O2 sensor failure code to turn off.


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So roads authorities just need to look for unusually long o2 sensors. Easier said then done on a lot of cars on the side of the road

 

[Haakon]

I had the video feed on from Parliament (today they we debating the “big stick” legislation that includes those new powers to underwrite with tax dollars new fossil generators - probably not great timing PR wise...) and saw the Jordon Steele John bloke give the government and opposition a serious spray. It’s worth watching if you can find a YouTube link, he got stuck in!

 

[Flow-Rider]

So roads authorities just need to look for unusually long o2 sensors. Easier said then done on a lot of cars on the side of the road

They may or do a gas analyser test.

 

[hifiandmtb]

I had the video feed on from Parliament (today they we debating the “big stick” legislation that includes those new powers to underwrite with tax dollars new fossil generators - probably not great timing PR wise...) and saw the Jordon Steele John bloke give the government and opposition a serious spray. It’s worth watching if you can find a YouTube link, he got stuck in!

Yeah but he won't get to write the legislation. We need a votable big political party to grow some fucking balls.

 

[silentbutdeadly]

Labor is just the same @Haakon.

All the big political parties have ostensibly the same agenda. Small smudgy differences to plant your flag on, but pretty much the same.

We need a biblically heroic response right now - or the face of the planet will be changed forever:

I think that SBD believes we can control the outcome without controlling the outcome. Good luck with that.

At this point, we control nothing...we never really have.

I give not a shit what they say in the papers. But the truth is that human lifetimes and their attention spans are incredibly short. And the impacts already built in to the system are multitude...even with mitigation.

Mitigation is comparatively cheap and should be done but it won't be politically popular. Vested interests will be opposed and voters ambivalent. Primarily because we are ace at short term thinking. Therefore...it probably won't be done.

Adaptation is a very different story. It won't be done in an orderly fashion because it is expensive. However, it does have some quick response times if you pick the right options so it will be very useful for pork barrelling. And yet...it will be the most politically effective response for the impacts already built in. And that is really all that matters.

After all...we all know how short our attention spans really are.

 

[Haakon]

Yeah but he won't get to write the legislation. We need a votable big political party to grow some fucking balls.

To quote a wise man recently - good luck with that...