Shimano Loosen Microspline License Rules

[Shredden]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/shimano-loosens-micro-spline-licensing-restrictions.html

"Hope"fully we will see more manufacturers offering drivers for the new 12 speed shimano gear in the near future. I'd like to make the switch when I kill my first GX derailleur, but couldn't justify a new wheelset as well. Might be back on the cards

 

[moorey]

No 12sp plans for now...but hopefully Hope are in the mix.

 

[bear the bear]

I asked Shimano on twitter, who had the additional licences. All I got was that the brands will be making the announcements in the near future rather than Shimano.

 

[Halo1]

I wonder if this had something to do with it
https://singletrackworld.com/2019/09/hope-microspline-conversion/

 

[Kerplunk]

I wonder if this had something to do with it
https://singletrackworld.com/2019/09/hope-microspline-conversion/

Nothing like a bit of Chinese IP theft to get the ball rolling..

 

[JTmofo]

Shitmano can suck a fat one.
Sram are overly expensive.... but offer heaps of options and superior shifting .

Being a bunch of cunts by blocking quality 3rd party hub manufacturers when they know full well that nobody will buy their sub par hubs.

Fuck u Shitmano....



Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

 

[Ultra Lord]

but offer heaps of options and superior shifting .

Ahahahaha!
And they have the bestest brakes too

 

[JTmofo]

Ahahahaha!
And they have the bestest brakes too

"Sram" brakes are in a different galaxy to the Avid days.
I still prefer Sram feel to Shitmano.... but I only run Hope.

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

 

[moorey]

"Sram" brakes are in a different galaxy to the Avid days.
I still prefer Sram feel to Shitmano.... but I only run Hope.

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

Every time I feel SRAM brakes I’m reminded what exceedingly poor judgement many mountain bikers have.

 

[MARKL]

The mountain bike world would be a better place if Micro Spline didn’t exist and Shimano had adopted XD

 

[Ultra Lord]

The mountain bike world would be a better place if Micro Spline didn’t exist and Shimano had adopted XD

10t cogs are not worth new drivers period. The whole thing is stupid.

 

[moorey]

10t cogs are not worth new drivers period. The whole thing is stupid.

My Shimano preference is well known. But XD is a better interface, and the 10t is great. Almost 10% higher top end with no loss of low gearing.

 

[creaky]

My Shimano preference is well known. But XD is a better interface, and the 10t is great. Almost 10% higher top end with no loss of low gearing.

And a shedload lighter than adding a 10% change cog at the other end of the cassette.

@moorey you have shocked me, I am in agreement.

 

[Paulie_AU]

New bike is coming with XT rear hub. At least now I will be able to throw a aftermarket one in when it eventually dies. (I shouldn't be too harsh I have had really good life from XT and Ultegra hubs in the past.

 

[bear the bear]

For all those who are having a whinge about microspline, who has actually seen it in the flesh an/or installed it?
What Shimano has installed is a very intelligent piece of engineering. The main reason that Shimano did not go with an XD type driver is that SRAM has the patent on the one-piece cassette design and this is why you see things like the E-13 design to get around it.
The Shimano cassette is also cheaper and uses most of Shimano's existing tooling.

 

[moorey]

Like most Shimano lately, no beef about the engineering or quality...it’s about the way they’re going about things. Geoblocking, BCD changes, ispec clusterfucks...they seem determined to self sabotage.

 

[bear the bear]

Like most Shimano lately, no beef about the engineering or quality...it’s about the way they’re going about things. Geoblocking, BCD changes, ispec clusterfucks...they seem determined to self sabotage.

The geo-blocking also applies to SRAM, and from memory, they started the whole nonsense.
However, I agree and am not a fan of the whole proprietory BCD thing.
Ispec can be gotten around by the problem solvers adapters. I will say that each version of Ispec has been an improvement on the previous, however taking 3/4 version to arrive at the current could be viewed as change for change's sake.

 

[moorey]

I have always expected that shit from SRAM. Shimano were forged on a commitment to cross compatibility with their gear for the longest time.

 

[MARKL]

For all those who are having a whinge about microspline, who has actually seen it in the flesh an/or installed it?
What Shimano has installed is a very intelligent piece of engineering. The main reason that Shimano did not go with an XD type driver is that SRAM has the patent on the one-piece cassette design and this is why you see things like the E-13 design to get around it.
The Shimano cassette is also cheaper and uses most of Shimano's existing tooling.

I’m with Moorey on this one. Why bring out a new standard that isn’t as good? The biggest reason is pride, Shimano were never going to adopt a standard developed by SRAM

 

[bear the bear]

I’m with Moorey on this one. Why bring out a new standard that isn’t as good? The biggest reason is pride, Shimano were never going to adopt a standard developed by SRAM

Re-read my statement above again about why Shimano have gone the way they have.
And why isn't it as good? have you used it?