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Who will you vote for May 2025?

  • Liberals

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • Labor

    Votes: 22 37.9%

  • Nationals

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Greens

    Votes: 13 22.4%

  • Independant (other than teals)

    Votes: 13 22.4%

  • Clive Palmer Trumpet of Patriots Shitshow

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • Teals

    Votes: 1 1.7%

  • One Nation

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • Jacquie Lambie squad

    Votes: 1 1.7%

  • Donkey/Invalid vote

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Total voters
    58
I have a book of poems he wrote somewhere around the house. It isn't very good poetry. A long time ago I had a community/arts radio show and he was the patron saint of the studio (some sort of donations i assume)...believe it or not I am prone to taking the piss a little and after finding this book of poems I decided to read one out each week. I feel like the book was called in love is an expensive place to die. A lot of feeling sorry for himself.
 
Sussan Ley's interview on the 7:30 Report last night was.... interesting. Summary:

Ley: Australians need cheaper energy. We are energy agnostic. It's all in our new policy
Interviewer: so you're supporting renewables
Ley: not really
Interviewer: okay so we're getting new coal power stations?
Ley: um...no...maybe. Let's talk about gas. LNG is a transition energy. The ALP / Greens don't like it so it must be good.
Interviewer: gas is really expensive and a key driver in high energy prices.
Ley: no gas will make energy cheaper. We're focused on reducing energy prices
Interviewer: EnergyAustralia, Shell, Santos (proceeds to read off long list of major energy companies) think your policy is dumb (paraphrasing) and renewables are key to lowering energy prices
Ley: we're not anti-renewables
Interviewer: so you'll support renewable energy?
Ley: ....we're focused on reducing energy prices
 
Ideology is their problem. Their too caught up in trying to sell an emotive position that they are getting left behind.

I worry about Hastie, though. He has populist written all over him.
 
johnny said:
Ideology is their problem. Their too caught up in trying to sell an emotive position that they are getting left behind.
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I saw an argument that the Liberals should be all over solar power. It supports small businesses with installations etc, increases self-reliance and reduces dependence on the Government and potentially turns every household into a business via adding energy back into the grid. It's literally tailor made for them.

But all the smart ones and moderates have been expunged and it's only the nakedly ambitious and stupid left. And yes.. Hastie. He's not stupid but I don't know if he has the charisma to carry populism.
 
Asininedrivel said:
I saw an argument that the Liberals should be all over solar power. It supports small businesses with installations etc, increases self-reliance and reduces dependence on the Government and potentially turns every household into a business via adding energy back into the grid. It's literally tailor made for them.

But all the smart ones and moderates have been expunged and it's only the nakedly ambitious and stupid left. And yes.. Hastie. He's not stupid but I don't know if he has the charisma to carry populism.
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I don't follow energy policy enough to have a properly credible opinion, so read my take with that in mind. But if feels to me that the opposition to renewables is based more on an anti-greenie/progressive position than practical outcomes. Of course there has to be a transition, base-load, etc. etc. But the Coalition seems to have always been against renewable energy based on the fact that their opponents are for it. You can base philosophical policy questions on ideology - like marriage law, the rights of a child, obscenity laws, etc. - but energy policy boils down to pure mathematics and science. I don't see how ideology can inform practical decision making in energy policy.

Of course both sides have ideological underpinnings to their overall approach to politics. During the age of communism and socialist autocracies, the left were likely the more ideological and the conservative more practical. But that seems to have switched; the left seems to have moved to the pragmatic centre and the right more to the ideological fringe. And I think the ideological fringe is political obscurity in a culture and population that is generally down to earth and practical in its approach, especially when they are all forced to vote in elections!
 
johnny said:
I don't follow energy policy enough to have a properly credible opinion, so read my take with that in mind. But if feels to me that the opposition to renewables is based more on an anti-greenie/progressive position than practical outcomes.
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Thanks to some people I know who are intimate with the liberal party I’ve unwillingly become somewhat knowledgeable of their internal machinations and yeah, this sums it up nicely.
It’s a FU move born of spite. Added bonus of adding more fuel to kick off a culture war they desperately want.

It’s a shitshow, sadly those in the party who haven’t buried their heads up donors asses got out voted and this is what happened.
 
Fortunately by the time the election comes around, more progressive leaning people will be eligible to vote.

The LNP (and One Nation) are the parties for idiots and rich people who don't give a fuck beyond their wealth.
 
Just finished reading "The Trading Game" by Gary Stevenson which led me to his youtube channel "Garys Economics". Very interesting read and he is now really pushing for a wealth tax in the UK and elsewhere. He's touring here next year to do some talks.
 
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