The election thread - Medicare Vs cost of living Vs OMG China! Vs housing Vs I'm not Trump! Vs prehistoric fish Vs nuclear energy Vs tariffs Vs AUKUS

[Sky_Collapsed]

you lot will probably just delete the comment like you did with my others but there never was a need for a constitutionally enshrined voice.

In Tas we're already doing a lot for first nations people without having any form of a voice.

If you really wanted something in the constitution it would have been an easy yes if it was just to recognize first nations people as first nations people and to recognize the hurt that was inflicted both during colonization and during the stolen generation thing but nah you kept pushing for an uncosted body.

Anyways these are the results so there's no need to be salty and nasty about it just pack up and move on like mature adults.

 

[johnny]

This thread is such a disappointment.

Those who want change, the Yes side need to grow the fuck up and stop being so easily played by those with malign goals.

I'm referring to those, some of whom I've had beers with and call mates, who are lashing out with personal attacks and calling the No side chunts, bogans, racists, etc. Try to be a bit more sophisticated and mature about politics. The childish shit that you're acting out is PRECISELY the response the Duttons of this world want. Your abuse of the opposing side does noting more than polarise and calcify the politics we have today. The United States is stuck in 2016 and all that does is benefit the Trumpers - they'll never desert the MAGA side because they are seen as the enemy, and that is perfect for Trump. All you do when you lash out is ensure that Dutton's base remains loyal and confirm that the politics of division is a successful strategy for political opportunists. Try to be a little smarter and little more sophisticated.

Sure, being viscerally personal with your response is cathartic, but it's myopic and completely lacks strategic intelligence. It's like you're not only sticking your dick in a bear trap but trying your hardest to fuck it after it's snapped shut. And while you're at it, google "active measures" and then have a think about the potential damage you're doing to the national interest by deepening the divide.

I'm not innocent of acting in this way myself - reading back through this thread alone will unearth any number of posts from me talking all colours of shit about the opposing view. However, most people here look at the US and decry where it is today, we've all been doing so for 7 years now. Try and learn from that and do your part by not falling into the same trap. Move forward, not backward. Do what you can for positive change, don't be part of the negative.

I voted yes, obviously.

 

[LPG]

This thread is such a disappointment.

Those who want change, the Yes side need to grow the fuck up and stop being so easily played by those with malign goals.

I'm referring to those, some of whom I've had beers with and call mates, who are lashing out with personal attacks and calling the No side chunts, bogans, racists, etc. Try to be a bit more sophisticated and mature about politics. The childish shit that you're acting out is PRECISELY the response the Duttons of this world want. Your abuse of the opposing side does noting more than polarise and calcify the politics we have today. The United States is stuck in 2016 and all that does is benefit the Trumpers - they'll never desert the MAGA side because they are seen as the enemy, and that is perfect for Trump. All you do when you lash out is ensure that Dutton's base remains loyal and confirm that the politics of division is a successful strategy for political opportunists. Try to be a little smarter and little more sophisticated.

Sure, being viscerally personal with your response is cathartic, but it's myopic and completely lacks strategic intelligence. It's like you're not only sticking your dick in a bear trap but trying your hardest to fuck it after it's snapped shut. And while you're at it, google "active measures" and then have a think at the potential damage you're doing to the national interest by doing your little bit to damage social cohesion.

I'm not innocent of acting in this way myself - reading back through this thread alone will unearth any number of posts from me talking all colours of shit about the opposing view. However, most people here look at the US and decry where it is today. Try and learn from that and do your part for not falling into the same trap. Move forward, not backward. Do what you can for positive change, don't be part of the negative.

I voted yes, obviously.

Good call, let's make Australia a better place and start a cull instead of calling them names.

 

[Haakon]

I dunno. None of this has been in the slightest bit surprising… Australia has always been a fairly unsophisticated place when it comes to politics, and it’s only been getting worse. The left is always on the losing side because they try to play nice.

I dont really care one or the other about the actual voice thing, it’s the ugly appeals to ignorance and fear that irked. Or more accurately that they work. And I’m still not above calling those dumb enough to be swayed by it - dumb… Appeals to sense and the broader good require qualities in them that are clearly absent.

 

[johnny]

I suspect we are in a time of new learnings. I doubt that there is a rule that can be applied to determine to what degree muscle mass or strength is impacted by the change in hormones and one size fits all is unlikely to be satisfactory.

With regards to anything cerebral there is no issue. Women can well hold their own on that score.

With something physical where strength or muscle mass or stamina etc etc (I know nothing...) or any of the other things that the male frame and hormones provide and advantage for need to have clearly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty applied. Create a new category though then you could argue that women transitioning to men would be disadvantaged compared to men transitioning to women (see I told you I have no ideas).

Should we open this up as a new topic?

lol, you said "learnings".

 

[Sky_Collapsed]

Australia has always been a fairly unsophisticated place when it comes to politics, and it’s only been getting worse. The left is always on the losing side because they try to play nice.

than leave the country.

I think it's disgusting that you're agreeing with killing people over a result you don't like.

 

[Haakon]

This thread is such a disappointment.

Those who want change, the Yes side need to grow the fuck up and stop being so easily played by those with malign goals.

I'm referring to those, some of whom I've had beers with and call mates, who are lashing out with personal attacks and calling the No side chunts, bogans, racists, etc. Try to be a bit more sophisticated and mature about politics. The childish shit that you're acting out is PRECISELY the response the Duttons of this world want. Your abuse of the opposing side does noting more than polarise and calcify the politics we have today. The United States is stuck in 2016 and all that does is benefit the Trumpers - they'll never desert the MAGA side because they are seen as the enemy, and that is perfect for Trump. All you do when you lash out is ensure that Dutton's base remains loyal and confirm that the politics of division is a successful strategy for political opportunists. Try to be a little smarter and little more sophisticated.

Sure, being viscerally personal with your response is cathartic, but it's myopic and completely lacks strategic intelligence. It's like you're not only sticking your dick in a bear trap but trying your hardest to fuck it after it's snapped shut. And while you're at it, google "active measures" and then have a think about the potential damage you're doing to the national interest by deepening the divide.

I'm not innocent of acting in this way myself - reading back through this thread alone will unearth any number of posts from me talking all colours of shit about the opposing view. However, most people here look at the US and decry where it is today, we've all been doing so for 7 years now. Try and learn from that and do your part by not falling into the same trap. Move forward, not backward. Do what you can for positive change, don't be part of the negative.

I voted yes, obviously.

I applaud your optimism.

 

[johnny]

I dunno. None of this has been in the slightest bit surprising… Australia has always been a fairly unsophisticated place when it comes to politics, and it’s only been getting worse. The left is always on the losing side because they try to play nice.

I dont really care one or the other about the actual voice thing, it’s the ugly appeals to ignorance and fear that irked. Or more accurately that they work. And I’m still not above calling those dumb enough to be swayed by it - dumb… Appeals to sense and the broader good require qualities in them that are clearly absent.

You and I see pretty much eye to eye on social and political issues. But, to be frank, I think your lack of patience and your willingness to to slip into the easy and simplistic position of "the world is fucked because there are too many people that aren't as smart as I am" does yourself and the greater good a disservice.

I note that I say this with the most minimal of actual contact with you other than online and that there is a high chance that I am waaaay off the mark here.

 

[Haakon]

than leave the country.

I think it's disgusting that you're agreeing with killing people over a result you don't like.

Love it or leave it huh? That tracks

 

[johnny]

I applaud your optimism.

Well, if we don't have that, then we have nothing.

 

[Sky_Collapsed]

Love it or leave it huh? That tracks

Yep. This is a democracy, and this is the result. don't bitch and whine because you don't like the result and certainly don't ago around calling for people to be killed who voted in a way you don't like.

 

[Haakon]

You and I see pretty much eye to eye on social and political issues. But, to be frank, I think your lack of patience and willingness to to slip into the easy and simplistic position of "the world is fucked because there are too many people that aren't as smart as I am" does yourself and the greater good a disservice.

I note that I say this with the most minimal of actual contact with you other than online and that there is a high chance that I am waaaay off the mark here.

No, just my observations. The world is objectively going tits up and I feel like it’s just being realistic to note that. That’s nothing to do with dumb people really, rather it’s people who are way smarter than me that are the problem. It’s just a shame they used their smarts for things other than the good of the rest of us…

Im pretty sure optimism wasn’t a big feature of those on the titanic after it was already sinking

 

[Sky_Collapsed]

to note i was talking about you liking lpg's comment about calling for a cull of people (Killing).

I'm going to bed, goodnight and sweet dreams everyone.

 

[johnny]

Yep. This is a democracy, and this is the result. don't bitch and whine because you don't like the result and certainly don't ago around calling for people to be killed who voted in a way you don't like.

Your report of that post is churlish and silly. It's tasteless humour and I didn't really like it either. But calling it a "threat of violence" drips with small dick energy. Dial back the dramatics and build a bridge, bro.

 

[Sky_Collapsed]

Your report of that post is churlish and silly. It's tasteless humour and I didn't really like it either. But calling it a "threat of violence" drips with small dick energy. Build a bridge, bro.

lpg did not make it clear it was joke. so thats why i reported it.

 

[johnny]

lpg did not make it clear it was joke. so thats why i reported it.

How old are you?!

 

[Sky_Collapsed]

How old are you?!
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old enough to be able to question a comment. like i said lpg did not make it clear he/she was not joking so that's why i reported it but it's good to know everyone here is equally as childish even when trying to pretend you're not.

 

[dirtdad]

who are lashing out with personal attacks

This is the bit that gets to me too. Play the ball, not the man. Petty ad hominem attacks on all sides.

 

[Halo1]

The seat by seat break down will be interesting as it looks to show that this was only ever a single issue vote rather than a party line vote. Also it does not look like a left vs right outcome that has any bearing on the other politics of the day. End of the day you can’t judge someone else based on their vote or how this will play into other political
topics.

 

[Asininedrivel]

Sure, being viscerally personal with your response is cathartic, but it's myopic and completely lacks strategic intelligence. It's like you're not only sticking your dick in a bear trap but trying your hardest to fuck it after it's snapped shut.

I will plagiarise this. Somehow.

Also if I need to mansplain this It's not on me: now is not the time to reassert oMg cAlLeD iT hUmAnItY iS ShIt. Plenty of spaces on the internet for that, here is not one of them.