What are you doing to keep agile and flexible?

Sitting on the couch or at my desk eating chips or chocolate is my usual, throw in a nice rum or beer for good measure.

If I'm not doing that I'm in the garden on the shovel, manual labour does wonders for the fitness.

And when I actually go to work, I ride my bike, since its an e-bike, I guess that just counts as leg stretches

Doctor has told me to do some physio or at least keep active, as I have some medical crap going on, plus the hip replacement, reconstructed knee & shoulder which was dislocated, a pinned wrist which was broken and dislocated, then add in the other broken bones - hip & pelvis in two places (swollen nuts like oranges too), sternum clean down the center (which try to drown me in my own blood, even my body tried to kill from the inside that day), elbow/forearm in two places, numerous fingers and toes, throw in some arthritis since i was about 10 or 11, movement is hard let alone flexibility.

Some days I don't feel like getting out of bed, let alone have someone tell me which to bend over (taxes do that enough for my liking), but I can tell you more reliably than the weather channel when its going to rain or when cold front is coming and that's without even getting out of bed.
 
Slowman said:
Well it's like a lot of these old eastern practices. The explanations aren't anatomically correct or scientific and they filled in a lot of unknowns with, let's call them metaphorical symbols to help as a mnemonic structure. For example acupuncture is based on such a system. Studies show it works but the explanations of why it works are unscientific. Even in martial arts the idea of Ki, or chi, as some kind of mystical energy, sounds odd, but it is really just delivering a forceful blow with a forceful exhalation which has been shown to help increase the power.

It's the practice that works. The philosophy is something else.
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There are studies that suggest acupuncture is marginally better than a placebo on people who expect acupuncture to work but I think you will find the majority of legit studies show that acupuncture is a complete load of shite,
 
Freediver said:
I'd guess you'd be pretty handy with a pair of divining rods and good at tarot as well.

Weather pains - Wikipedia

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Next you will be saying you can’t smell the rain, never believe anything from Wikipedia :rolleyes: any fool knows that!

https://creakyjoints.org.au/support/weather-and-arthritis/

There are plenty of studies on it and it doesn’t matter where you live and you don’t move to warmer climate to help it, it will still happen it’s about the fluctuations, happy to trade bodies if you want.
 
cammas said:
Next you will be saying you can’t smell the rain, never believe anything from Wikipedia :rolleyes: any fool knows that!

https://creakyjoints.org.au/support/weather-and-arthritis/

There are plenty of studies on it and it doesn’t matter where you live and you don’t move to warmer climate to help it, it will still happen it’s about the fluctuations, happy to trade bodies if you want.
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The easiest option for me here would be to post a link to the Wikipedia cognitive bias page but you'll have to google it yourself and read it elsewhere. Maybe look at subjective validation while you at it.
 
rockmoose said:
Have you ever tried divining water? If not, do it over your home water line with a bent piece of fencing wire. It is very easy, very real, and very logical.
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Yet every time people who believe they can do it are tested they fail miserably.
 
Freediver said:
I'd guess you'd be pretty handy with a pair of divining rods and good at tarot as well.

Weather pains - Wikipedia

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rockmoose said:
Have you ever tried divining water? If not, do it over your home water line with a bent piece of fencing wire. It is very easy, very real, and very logical.
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Freediver said:
Yet every time people who believe they can do it are tested they fail miserably.
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I am a huge skeptic and you have to work hard to convince me of things like this - however when I worked on the farms one of the owners said that he can divine for water and also objects if he holds a similar object in his hands at the time - I called bullshit so he showed me it working over water - so I’m like well it’s your property I’m sure you know there is a water pipe there - so I hid a 20c piece whilst he wasn’t looking - he put a 20c piece in his hand and held onto the forked stick and walked around until they dipped and indicated where the coin was on the ground - I was still looking for a “plausible” explanation so he said here I’ll show you - I held the stick and the coin in my hands and he held onto my hands - when it indicated and the pressure in my hands was from the stick not his hands outside mine I believed
 
Minlak said:
I am a huge skeptic and you have to work hard to convince me of things like this - however when I worked on the farms one of the owners said that he can divine for water and also objects if he holds a similar object in his hands at the time - I called bullshit so he showed me it working over water - so I’m like well it’s your property I’m sure you know there is a water pipe there - so I hid a 20c piece whilst he wasn’t looking - he put a 20c piece in his hand and held onto the forked stick and walked around until they dipped and indicated where the coin was on the ground - I was still looking for a “plausible” explanation so he said here I’ll show you - I held the stick and the coin in my hands and he held onto my hands - when it indicated and the pressure in my hands was from the stick not his hands outside mine I believed
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James Randi had a million dollar prize for anybody who could perform any of a number of psuedoscientific acts under controlled conditions. The prize remains unclaimed. You should go for it.
 
@Freediver currently at Bunnings getting some rapid set concrete to harden up, since it’s all my head, need me to abuse any of the female staff for you?

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cammas said:
@Freediver currently at Bunnings getting some rapid set concrete to harden up, since it’s all my head, need me to abuse any of the female staff for you?

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I didn't say your pain is in your head but your ability to predict the weather with it certainly is.
Proponents of this nonsense say it's because of changes in barometric pressure but you get bigger pressure drops driving up a hill and nobody says that makes their arthritis hurt.
 
I'm just happy that I personally have dowsed to find water and irrigation pipes many times, and will continue to do so. My blind luck at finding random pipes in the middle of nowhere will surely carry over if I buy a lotto ticket.............
 
Freediver said:
There are studies that suggest acupuncture is marginally better than a placebo on people who expect acupuncture to work but I think you will find the majority of legit studies show that acupuncture is a complete load of shite,
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Just give me a link to a couple.

I tried acupuncture once and the guy was a bit of a lunatic raving on like a taxi driver about all manner of crap. Aside from that it felt about the same as a physio session, so I just stuck with my physio. I was having a sciatic nerve problem and I mistakenly thought he'd hit the right nerve and the problem would be solved instantly but when I learnt a series of sessions would be required I saw little point in continuing.

I have seen some studies that show it had little effect as a treatment for certain conditions like IBS and other abdominal problems, but unfortunately this happens a lot in this world. Shonky practitioners will claim it can fix everything because they want your money. I think there are studies that show it to have efficacy in treatment of certain conditions, see https://hms.harvard.edu/news/exploring-science-acupuncture

It's like good traditional Chinese doctors, who generally work with a herbalist and prescribe herbal medicine, will stop and tell when you should get western medical treatment, usually for cancer and when surgery is required. They know their limits, as should good physios, acupuncturists, chiropractors, GPs, orthopaedic surgeons, or any responsible health professional.
 
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Freediver said:
I didn't say your pain is in your head but your ability to predict the weather with it certainly is.
Proponents of this nonsense say it's because of changes in barometric pressure but you get bigger pressure drops driving up a hill and nobody says that makes their arthritis hurt.
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That explains my poor ability to climb any hill then.


Back on topic I did the Les Mills stretching classes many years ago to train and gain some flexibility etc seemed to help, I took the eldest boy with me to his one and only session. He made the mistake of baggy tracksuit pants and boxers, from memory we were the only two males in the session and he must’ve really enjoyed the view, as he to wait a while before he could get back up, he then asked me never to take him to that class again
 
Freediver said:
I didn't say your pain is in your head but your ability to predict the weather with it certainly is.
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Yup. My dodgy joints (knuckles & knees) play up in certain weather conditions, but it is very much reactive, not predictive, and driven by ambient temperature, not barometric pressure. My fingers crack the shits when it's Fucking Cold, and my knees when it's hot (about 32° is the trigger point).
 
Freediver said:
There are studies that suggest acupuncture is marginally better than a placebo on people who expect acupuncture to work but I think you will find the majority of legit studies show that acupuncture is a complete load of shite,
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Slowman said:
Just give me a link to a couple.

I tried acupuncture once and the guy was a bit of a lunatic raving on like a taxi driver about all manner of crap. Aside from that it felt about the same as a physio session, so I just stuck with my physio. I was having a sciatic nerve problem and I mistakenly thought he'd hit the right nerve and the problem would be solved instantly but when I learnt a series of sessions would be required I saw little point in continuing.

I have seen some studies that show it had little effect as a treatment for certain conditions like IBS and other abdominal problems, but unfortunately this happens a lot in this world. Shonky practitioners will claim it can fix everything because they want your money. I think there are studies that show it to have efficacy in treatment of certain conditions, see https://hms.harvard.edu/news/exploring-science-acupuncture

It's like good traditional Chinese doctors, who generally work with a herbalist and prescribe herbal medicine, will stop and tell when you should get western medical treatment, usually for cancer and when surgery is required. They know their limits, as should good acupuncturists, chiropractors or any responsible health professional.
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Acupuncture works by interrupting nerve pathways. I am happy to have proper acupuncture (not dry needling) when I want to loosen up physical areas I have injured. I am like a wet noodle and have fallen into the weird state where time has no meaning but by all means believe what you want. That was with a Chinese doctor who worked at my physio while his accreditations were being ratified. When I broke a couple of ribs and cracked my sternum I had acupuncture to help increase blood flow and relieve tension and I sure as hell felt better after each session but then I do have a very small brain.

My old man was a skeptic and only tried acupuncture when all the usual treatments for his migraines began to fail. He went into it thinking this is shit and wont do anything but hey who knows. Took a dozen sessions or so but he never had another migraine...

Since then I have had acupuncture and dry needling and the dry needling does little if anything by comparison. Different practitioners so might be operator error. I have had a couple of Chinese Malay GPs and both do acupuncture for stuff like muscle injuries specifically to loosen the area. Both have said that while they are fully qualified in whatever acupuncture thing you get they would not use it to treat other illnesses or diseases.
 
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