Protective gear for DH?

jarrod839

Banned
Don't forget evidence and science! although that's not real popular with one poster in here :heh:



Well, one might suggest that you are not coming across mentally stable. And as a side note, your grammar and sentence structure is terrible.



You're still walking because your spinal cord is intact, funny thing is spinal injuries in MTB are rare - less than 1% of MTB injuries that require admission to hospital are spinal related, obviously they do occur as you can testify. But even more interestingly, most spinal injuries typically don't involve the spinal cord. Now, I understand that logic is not your strong point, but the maths here is simple; if you have a spinal injury (vertebral fracture). you have a less than a 40% chance of also having spinal cord trauma, and if you do have spinal cord trauma (40% of spinal fractures), so of that 40% you have a <5% chance of becoming a para or quad.

So, in summary, you still walking around because full transection of the spinal cord is extremely rare in spinal injurys, and spinal injuries are extremely rare on top of this.

Whether the Leatt helped or not no body knows, the Dr may say it made a difference, but since they weren't at the crash, measuring vectors and forces going through your body they don't actually know if it did or did not help. Current evidence shows us that you were very unlikely to have a spinal cord injury even whilst having a Thoracic (T1) fracture.

I would not be surprised if a Leatt is more likely to cause T1 fractures, as the device acts as a moment arm, transmitting forces from what should be dispersed across seven segments of the spine (cervical vertebra) to a focal point at T1. Anecdotal evidence suggests this is a possibility, but there is not enough data to know whether this is or isn't an issue.

These papers also highlight there is no evidence that Leatts actually work. Maybe you could email some random abuse to these researchers? I sure they enjoys the LOL
s as much as I do.

Evidence for my above statistics.

Mountain biking injuries requiring trauma center admission: a 10-year regional trauma system experience.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=16508488

The epidemiology of mountain bike park injuries at the Whistler Bike Park, British Columbia (BC), Canada.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22656660

Severe street and mountain bicycling injuries in adults: a comparison of the incidence, risk factors and injury patterns over 14 years.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23706856

Spinal column and spinal cord injuries in mountain bikers: a 13-year review.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20489216

Please, now shut me down? Or some more abuse, it's all the same to me, I have thick skin being a lecturer.
yes im still going to shut you down you halfwit cause the papers you posted even though interesting statistics don't mention leatt or neck braces once and even though there's not many spinal injuries documented it doesn't mention if the rider was wearing a neckbrace or not. Interesting to the papers are only upto the years 2007 or 2010 and what year are we in know 2016. Times have changed in 6 years the level of riding has got alot faster and extreme and spinal injurys are still comman as with even high profile athletes suffering. Paul basacotta - spinal injurys rampage. Sam Willoughby -BMX and even last week remi metailer broke his back.
All three were not wearing neckbraces and its all most impossible to determine if paul and sams outcomes would of being different if they were wearing one.

I know for a fact as ive done the research myself and spoken to several people who walked away from similer crashes with similar injurys and all were wearing leatts. 1 in bmx and two in motox.

You still haven't produced solid evidence that they don't work and you never will. More people have had positive experiences with wearing one than halfwits sitting on forums expressing there personal hatred of a neckbrace when people ask for advice on safety gear which all by the way are not guaranteed to stop you from injurys severe or not.

For the sake of $600 and the piece of mind that if i do have a crash i have that small percentage of a chance of not ending up in a wheelchair. Instead of spending the rest of my life in a wheelchair trying to work out if a neckbrace would of helped or not.

I trust a global company leatt thats obviously put serious coin and time and research into a product and a specialist in neck and spinal injurys in my diagnosis than a halfwit on a forum.

If a Leatt neckbrace doesn't work as advertised then how come they are allowed to sell them. Surely the consumer watchdog would have cracked down on a $600 to $800 safety device with no documented proof of working.
 
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Mywifesirrational

I however am very normal. Trust me.
yes im still going to shut you down you halfwit cause the papers you posted even though interesting statistics don't mention leatt or neck braces once and even though there's not many spinal injuries documented it doesn't mention if the rider was wearing a neckbrace or not. Interesting to the papers are only upto the years 2007 or 2010 and what year are we in know 2016. Times have changed in 6 years the level of riding has got alot faster and extreme and spinal injurys are still comman as with even high profile athletes suffering. Paul basacotta - spinal injurys rampage. Sam Willoughby -BMX and even last week remi metailer broke his back.
There is you lack of ability to read basic information again, the papers are 2006, 2010, 2012, 2013. Buts that alright you got the date correct. If you can find a more current paper, link away.

Maybe read the papers - but its clear you dont have the attention span or comprehension to understand what is it them, neck braces are highlighted, but also highlighted is that there is no evidence for the use of neck braces.

Just because you believe something (with zero evidence or understanding of the issue), does not make it a fact.
 

Boom King

downloaded a pic of moorey's bruised arse
Does he have to though?

As in can't he immaculately heal himself, or is it more a fashion thing to fit in with the cool crowd?
He's heavily influenced by his disciples testimonials and not as young as he used to be. Even immaculate healing takes longer at his age.

Also, just because you can heal yourself, doesn't mean you want to get injured.
 
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ForkinGreat

Knows his Brassica oleracea
He's heavily influenced by his disciples testimonials and not as young as he used to be. Even immaculate healing takes longer at his age.

Also, just because you can heal yourself, doesn't mean you want to get injured.
Is this guy one of his disciples?

neck braces are now a religion.JPG
 

Mywifesirrational

I however am very normal. Trust me.
All three were not wearing neckbraces and its all most impossible to determine if paul and sams outcomes would of being different if they were wearing one.
So you have just said in your own words that there is no evidence that they work?

We are finally in agreement, well done!
 
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jarrod839

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There is you lack of ability to read basic information again, the papers are 2006, 2010, 2012, 2013. Buts that alright you got the date correct. If you can find a more current paper, link away.

Maybe read the papers - but its clear you dont have the attention span or comprehension to understand what is it them, neck braces are highlighted, but also highlighted is that there is no evidence for the use of neck braces.

Just because you believe something (with zero evidence or understanding of the issue), does not make it a fact.
i did read the papers and what caught my eye was in the conclusion stating about the need to resesrch protection measures further. Helmets and neckbraces and any piece of saftey equipment are constantly evolving as technology and research from crashes etc.my last neckbrace was from 5 years ago and the new one i just picked up is a amazing advancement in construction and my well being has diffently be reassured that i am going to be safe in my riding adventures The main aim for most company's in protection is reducing the risk of harm to the user.

Take a bulletproof vest it only has a 40% chance of stopping a bullet but you would still wear it.
Same as a neckbrace it only has a small percentage of stopping you breaking your neck but its better than nothing.
 

jarrod839

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So you have just said in your own words that there is no evidence that they work?

We are finally in agreement, well done!
read again dumb chunt they weren't wearing one and its impossible to tell if one would have helped or not.
Ive read reports of people who have been wearing one but still suffered spinal injurys.
You are getting stop and prevent mixed up again halfwit.
Have you worked out what sound a cow makes yet.
 

Mywifesirrational

I however am very normal. Trust me.
read again dumb chunt they weren't wearing one and its impossible to tell if one would have helped or not.
Ive read reports of people who have been wearing one but still suffered spinal injurys.
You are getting stop and prevent mixed up again halfwit.
Have you worked out what sound a cow makes yet.
Shhh, lets not back track now, in your own words there is no evidence that neck braces work...

All three were not wearing neckbraces and its all most impossible to determine if paul and sams outcomes would of being different if they were wearing one.
 

jarrod839

Banned
So you have just said in your own words that there is no evidence that they work?

We are finally in agreement, well done!
read again dumb chunt they weren't wearing one and its impossible to tell if one would have helped or not as the variables are almost impossible to replicate or control.
If you saying thats evidence then your getting desperate.

People have been wearing one and still suffered spinal injurys.
You are getting stop and prevent mixed up again halfwit.

Have you worked out what sound a cow makes yet.
 

Mywifesirrational

I however am very normal. Trust me.
read again dumb chunt they weren't wearing one and its impossible to tell if one would have helped or not as the variables are almost impossible to replicate or control.
If you saying thats evidence then your getting desperate.

People have been wearing one and still suffered spinal injurys.
You are getting stop and prevent mixed up again halfwit.

Have you worked out what sound a cow makes yet.
Shhh, in your own words, which i am in complete agreement with...

All three were not wearing neckbraces and its all most impossible to determine if paul and sams outcomes would of being different if they were wearing one.
 
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