Calvin27
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Hehe I was pleasantly surprised by QLD and WA.I’m just happy it’s not QLD Queensland leading the charge. We’re not the full bogans everyone thinks we are (I can say this for a week until One Nation has the balance of power).
Hehe I was pleasantly surprised by QLD and WA.I’m just happy it’s not QLD Queensland leading the charge. We’re not the full bogans everyone thinks we are (I can say this for a week until One Nation has the balance of power).
Keating's old seat. Pretty sure he was against same sex marriage from the get-go, and only recanted prior statements to tow the party line?So does Jason Clare vote yes or No?
I saw that! Interesting/frustrating times ahead while the nay sayers gather their skirts and prolong the inevitible using whatever shit tactics they can muster. Even Katter's empire was close to a yes return.Warringah, represented by Tony Abbott - yes 75%
Christensen has said he will abstain rather than vote against his electorate...That is a really tough question. The heavy no seats in NSW are where there are a lot of Muslims who one may assume voted on their religious beliefs. By our setup he has to represent their views and vote against.
It's the other side of the coin from the Abbott situation. Clare can say "I have to do the will of the electorate" and vote against. Or he can say "I have to support democracy and the majority is for so I cannot vote against but I will not vote for, as per the will of the electorate".
Can you abstain from voting in Parliament?
Hopefully his electorate remember this next time they vote.Christensen has said he will abstain rather than vote against his electorate...
If it's a conscience vote, as it should have been, you can abstain. Clare, like the rest can vote however the frick he wants. The plebiscite, as reiterated a bazillion times during the whole shit show, isn't binding. It comes down to how safe he feels his seat is, to whether he's confident enough to go against his electorate.That is a really tough question. The heavy no seats in NSW are where there are a lot of Muslims who one may assume voted on their religious beliefs. By our setup he has to represent their views and vote against.
It's the other side of the coin from the Abbott situation. Clare can say "I have to do the will of the electorate" and vote against. Or he can say "I have to support democracy and the majority is for so I cannot vote against but I will not vote for, as per the will of the electorate".
Can you abstain from voting in Parliament?
It shouldn't be a conscience vote, they went to the electorate on this. If the MPs get to vote on their conscience (as opposed to the will of the electorate) what was the point in doing the postal survey in the first place?If it's a conscience vote, as it should have been, you can abstain. Clare, like the rest can vote however the frick he wants. The plebiscite, as reiterated a bazillion times during the whole shit show, isn't binding. It comes down to how safe he feels his seat is, to whether he's confident enough to go against his electorate.
Abbott, is a whole other kettle of flyblown fish. As the driving factor behind, and poster boy for the plebiscite, he should be required to vote with both his electorate and the national result, or be sent an invoice for the cost of the whole thing.
It wasn’t completely pointless as it delayed everything further which was its main aim. There will be further stalling tactics from the people now. These people don’t want equal rights for all Australians.It shouldn't be a conscience vote, they went to the electorate on this. If the MPs get to vote on their conscience (as opposed to the will of the electorate) what was the point in doing the postal survey in the first place?
The obscure distraction is religious rights (the rights of a cake baker to refuse to make a cake for a gay wedding, etc.), they will try and block any bill with that reasoning. However, I think that there will be enough people voting for the bill in both houses, based on the survey results, that it won't be blocked by the Abbottstrutionists.I think the conservatives have argued so long they wont go without a fight.
Dick head Abbott the obstructionist will think of some obscure distraction.
About time Turncoat showed some backbone and lead like Prime Ministers should , rather than telling us what a strong leader he is.
We will get there eventually and then all talk will magically cease.
And the safe schools distraction - don't forget safe schools!!! Because same-sex marriage being made legal will all of a sudden mean that a program already in existence (despite federal funding cuts) will suddenly be more in existence and schools will be teaching our kids how to be gay, or making more kids become gay, or ... some other incorrect bullshit the No team were sprouting.The obscure distraction is religious rights (the rights of a cake baker to refuse to make a cake for a gay wedding, etc.),..
It's point was to be divisive, and give a (l)awful public voice and a international spotlight to homophobic cusswits. Job done.It wasn’t completely pointless as it delayed everything further which was its main aim. There will be further stalling tactics from the people now. These people don’t want equal rights for all Australians.
I'd like to say I agree, but I've seen stranger things happen in politics. I don't think the hard conservatives are done yet, even if he does go.I can see the Libs pushing Abbott out in the next preselection for his seat. He is so badly on the nose with the majority of his party and he only held his seat last election because the party saved him. I think that they'll ditch him now as they're heading for a bad loss anyway and that's something that might actually help, dumping the dead wood.
I think they might give him the chance to step down.I think that they'll ditch him now as they're heading for a bad loss anyway
Zactly.It shouldn't be a conscience vote, they went to the electorate on this. If the MPs get to vote on their conscience (as opposed to the will of the electorate) what was the point in doing the postal survey in the first place?
With football season over and the cricket not yet happening Australians need a sport to fill the void. Odd that something we aren't particularly good at.ABC and Guardian are all over it too (and the soccer, which is apparently very fashionable to follow now)