Full Fat or HiLo: an eeb conundrum

[Rorschach]

Just watched this review of the Trance. He compares it against the Orbea Rise towards the end.

I spent a bit of time reading around this today and these are starting to interest me more and more.
The Elite 2 is under 10k and has a solid spec, even without the live valve stuff.
The slightly lower level of travel probably suits my riding more too than the Levo SL

 

[kten]

After todays ride on the Voima I can confidently say that the weight isn’t an issue. Getting the correct sized bike with decent geometry is the key. There are certain instances like popping off small trail features that are 100% more difficult due to the level of effort/input required to move the bike in and out of its travel but for me it is a complete non issue as that’s not why I ride. The only other time it's noticeable is picking the bike onto a rack.

Size/fit and geometry. 100% the most important considerations.

 

[beeb]

After todays ride on the Voima I can confidently say that the weight isn’t an issue. Getting the correct sized bike with decent geometry is the key. There are certain instances like popping off small trail features that are 100% more difficult due to the level of effort/input required to move the bike in and out of its travel but for me it is a complete non issue as that’s not why I ride. The only other time it's noticeable is picking the bike onto a rack.

Size/fit and geometry. 100% the most important considerations.

Where is the PYR!?! I'm possibly the only other person on the forum that (nowadays) actually likes the look of the Voima and I want to see the new shiny thing (and what build spec you slathered all over it - I'm expecting maximum internet points on that front too... )

 

[boyracer]

Just typed Voima into vital MTB website...1 of 975 e-bikes to choose from.
We could be here a while.

 

[The Reverend]

As strange as it might seem, definitely give thought to who you're likely to be riding with.

I had a ride today with full power ebike riding mates and the power and range deficit is real.
Yes they waited at key stages and kept the pace reasonable in other areas but I always knew I was putting in more effort and rinsing out more battery life on every uphill section.

If your friends are riding normal bikes, or you're riding on your own a lot, then SL bikes work fine.

 

[Rorschach]

I ride with a mix normally - one on a full fat Rail, one on an EX-e and one on a meat powered bike - so both an SL or full powered should be fine

 

[Rorschach]

Another one for the mix.
The new Cube Stereo Hybrid One55. Comes in 2 variants over here, although not out yet. Can get them at 99 Bikes (of all places) for 11k. Spec looks great for the price!
Either Fox Factory all round with XT or SRAM with a Lyrik Select+ and GX

Introducing the new CUBE Stereo Hybrid ONE55 eMTB - An ebike outside the box?

For 2023, CUBE are introducing a completely revised and partly new portfolio of Stereo ONE models. Among them is their new eMTB, the 150 mm travel Stereo Hybrid ONE55 relying on a Bosch CX Smart System motor. It promises to deliver with a relatively low weight and prices starting from € 6,999...

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[kten]

@Rorschach do yourself a favour and check out the Voima. I am honestly super impressed with it.

Or buy my Levo which will be for sale shortly

 

[downunderdallas]

Another one for the mix.
The new Cube Stereo Hybrid One55. Comes in 2 variants over here, although not out yet. Can get them at 99 Bikes (of all places) for 11k. Spec looks great for the price!
Either Fox Factory all round with XT or SRAM with a Lyrik Select+ and GX

Introducing the new CUBE Stereo Hybrid ONE55 eMTB - An ebike outside the box?

For 2023, CUBE are introducing a completely revised and partly new portfolio of Stereo ONE models. Among them is their new eMTB, the 150 mm travel Stereo Hybrid ONE55 relying on a Bosch CX Smart System motor. It promises to deliver with a relatively low weight and prices starting from € 6,999...

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Almost the best of both worlds with the Cube - just over 20kg with the 500wh battery on top spec model.

 

[Rorschach]

@Rorschach do yourself a favour and check out the Voima. I am honestly super impressed with it.

Or buy my Levo which will be for sale shortly

Local availability is my main issue given the lack of support for Pole historically.

Plus, it’s fugly

 

[Rorschach]

Or buy my Levo which will be for sale shortly

You have my number, although I’d feel bad putting Deore on an S Works Levo frame!

 

[link1896]

You have my number, although I’d feel bad putting Deore on an S Works Levo frame!

10 speed is what you want, 11 is marginal, 12 is shit.

 

[Jabubu]

Given that human powered single speed is a thing, why isn't it an e-bike thing too?

 

[kten]

10 speed is what you want, 11 is marginal, 12 is shit.

Whilst I agree that 12 gears is 2 too many saying it's shit is a stretch imo. I've had zero issues with 12 speed Shimano or SRAM, durability is on point and with a straight derailleur hanger what's not to like apart from the cost?

 

[rockmoose]

Given that human powered single speed is a thing, why isn't it an e-bike thing too?

Motors and batteries wouldn't like the forces involved.

 

[Rorschach]

10 speed is what you want, 11 is marginal, 12 is shit.

I already run M6100 on 2 bikes, been bulletproof so far.
More commenting if I buy a frame, I'll be transferring over what I have already

 

[Mattyp]

Motors and batteries wouldn't like the forces involved.

The Stark Varg is single speed.

 

[ozzybmx]

Given that human powered single speed is a thing, why isn't it an e-bike thing too?

There's an optimum cadence to keep eebs feeling lively and responsive. At a guess, a cadence of somewhere around 80-85.

 

[Rorschach]

Had a sneaky idea.
The EXe 9.5 is on sale for 8k. The Trek dealer near work has one in matte black in my size.
I can swap out the wheels, cockpit and forks for the ones on my Prime and get a better dropper, lever, rear mech, shifters and brakes for about 1k, a Bomber CR is $500ish so for under 10k I’d have arguably the nicest looking frame and a killer spec. Thoughts?

 

[Litenbror]

Had a sneaky idea.
The EXe 9.5 is on sale for 8k. The Trek dealer near work has one in matte black in my size.
I can swap out the wheels, cockpit and forks for the ones on my Prime and get a better dropper, lever, rear mech, shifters and brakes for about 1k, a Bomber CR is $500ish so for under 10k I’d have arguably the nicest looking frame and a killer spec. Thoughts?

Second hand market is rubbish at the moment so anything good you can take off the prime is very worthwhile.