2007 Scott Genius build

Litenbror

Litenbror

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Just picked up a project and I'm looking for some advice and ideas on some of it.

Pics below are the genius I picked up. I have no idea what the forks are the wheels are average at best, needs about half the running gear and the brakes are avid.

So pretty much a frame up build if anyone has 120 to 140mm 26" forks give me a shout or any parts for a 26" kicking round send me a message.

If anyone has worked with the rear pull shock I would love some advice and info. It doesn't seem to lock out but I haven't checked pressures or cable tension or anything for that matter yet.




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Beej1

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I used to have one of these. It was my first dually. I loved it pretty hard right up till I started breaking the seatstays and chainstays (went through 2 each - all replaced under warranty). I realised I needed more bike and got a Nomad. But if I didn't need the cash from selling it, I would've loved to hold onto it. Fond, fond memories.

Sorry to say I have zero parts to offer, but with regard to the genius pull shock, I used to get mine serviced at the shop I bought the bike from - which sadly went under eventually - but at the time were one of the only places that could do a service on it. They guy went somewhere OS for a Scott camp to work on these, the short-stroke Equaliser shock from their AM rig (what was it called?), and the Nude from the Spark. The guy said the Genius pull was an extremely complicated shock, with over 50 rings and seals that needed replacing in the kit.

I'm wondering if it's worth contacting Avanti Scott (assuming they are still.the distros) and seeing if they can either recommend a specialist who services them, or obtain the kits.

And if anyone here can rembember the name of the little bike shop on Burke Rd Kew East circa 2006-2009, and the 2 guys who ran it, or even better where the more mechanically minded of the duo ended up, that'd be one person the OP should find.
 
pink poodle

pink poodle

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Those forks might not be so bad. They appear to be rockshox and the remote lock out implies quality.
 
Litenbror

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pink poodle said:
Those forks might not be so bad. They appear to be rockshox and the remote lock out implies quality.
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I had a look online last night and they look like a higher priced RST shock. I'm going to give the lowers a service and probably move them on.

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Litenbror

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Beej1 said:
I used to have one of these. It was my first dually. I loved it pretty hard right up till I started breaking the seatstays and chainstays (went through 2 each - all replaced under warranty). I realised I needed more bike and got a Nomad. But if I didn't need the cash from selling it, I would've loved to hold onto it. Fond, fond memories.

Sorry to say I have zero parts to offer, but with regard to the genius pull shock, I used to get mine serviced at the shop I bought the bike from - which sadly went under eventually - but at the time were one of the only places that could do a service on it. They guy went somewhere OS for a Scott camp to work on these, the short-stroke Equaliser shock from their AM rig (what was it called?), and the Nude from the Spark. The guy said the Genius pull was an extremely complicated shock, with over 50 rings and seals that needed replacing in the kit.

I'm wondering if it's worth contacting Avanti Scott (assuming they are still.the distros) and seeing if they can either recommend a specialist who services them, or obtain the kits.

And if anyone here can rembember the name of the little bike shop on Burke Rd Kew East circa 2006-2009, and the 2 guys who ran it, or even better where the more mechanically minded of the duo ended up, that'd be one person the OP should find.
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Thanks Beej1 everything I have read on them say they are a great ride. The pull shock is the part that I need to do more research on.

If anyone here has worked on them or possibly swapped it for something more recent it would be great to hear from you

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flamin'trek

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I've got a Scott Aspect with a rear pull shock and lockout. I thought the lockout was useless, until I worked out that the lockout works in reverse to what I thought. ie pull the cable to activate the shock, release the cable and it locks out.
 
link1896

link1896

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Litenbror said:
I had a look online last night and they look like a higher priced RST shock. I'm going to give the lowers a service and probably move them on.

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And join the club of people hunting good 26" 1 1/8" forks. People are paying silly price premiums for them out of desperation to get old, sentimental builds complete.
 
Litenbror

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link1896 said:
And join the club of people hunting good 26" 1 1/8" forks. People are paying silly price premiums for them out of desperation to get old, sentimental builds complete.
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Ahh that's not good to hear what is your opinion on running 27.5" forks with 26" wheels? Looking online last night I found a few 27.5 1 1/8" sets for reasonable prices

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redbruce

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Good luck with the pull shock.

They are as reliable as Spesh brain shocks (ie not very) and similarly use non standard seals and difficult to service.

As Spesh Epic owner, while I love the bike, I'd never buy another bike with a proprietary shock.

Unlike the Spesh however (except pre 2010 Epics) there are no replacement shocks available to suit the Scott.
 
Flow-Rider

Flow-Rider

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X Fusion still sell a few pull shocks and Cyclingdeal used to have a couple of Scotts OEM pull sock up for sale last year. I'm sure there is some still around online somewhere.
 
Beej1

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It's quite the conundrum, I imagine, for those restoring older bikes - especially with custom hardware.

On the one hand, I found the 3 stage remote activated travel adjust of the Genius to be, well ... genius. I didn't have any problems with it, other than needing a service yearly for $80 back then.

But on the other hand, I'm sure every bit of tech in that shock is now outdated and could be replicated by a modern simpler shock and a frame with a better linkage setup.

I think later models of the Genius, after it switched to faux-bar in order to be able to sell in the US when Spesh still had their Horst-Link patent protection, had a newer pull shock named Equalizer (after the earlier, traditional push-shock Equalizer in the 160mm travel bike I'm still trying.to remember the name of). This newer shock was apparently leaps and bounds better than the Genius shock. I'd be interested to know if it fit - the frame certainly looked near identical other than the position of rear pivot.

Keep us posted on the resto.

EDIT: Scott Ransom was the AM bike I was trying to remember.

Also ... Bit of googling and I found this thread about serving the Genius Equalizer v1 shock, should a) it fit older HL Genius models like yours and b) you find one.
http://ridemonkey.bikemag.com/threads/scott-genius-tc-125mm-130mm-service.266136/#post3962000
 
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Litenbror

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Flow-Rider said:
X Fusion still sell a few pull shocks and Cyclingdeal used to have a couple of Scotts OEM pull sock up for sale last year. I'm sure there is some still around online somewhere.
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I've got some measuring to do to see if the x-fusion can replace the OEM shock, if that works it will be much easier than trying to service the genius monstrosity.

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Litenbror

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Is the pain from the OEM genius or the x fusion replacement ( my guess is the genius )? Thinking it might be worth machining up a pivot arm that could connect up a push shock rather than messing with a pull mechanism

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JonnyH

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I had a 2007 Genius RC - great bike

The pull shock did need servicing regularly - mine used to be sent to Sheppard in VIC by my local dealer who apparently were the AU service centre (though I heard they might have started sending them to NZ these days?)

Lockout is pretty simple if you look at it carefully - need to adjust the cable to actuate the lever on the top of the shock, then adjust the lower arm using the cable clamp and the little bolt on the underside of the smaller air can.

Can’t recall the exact procedure, but there was a defined way to pressure the shock too (ie which air can you did first), grab a manual off the Scott website
 
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creaky

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Have you asked NSD or cyclinic if they can service the shock ? If they can't then they might be able to suggest something.
 
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creaky said:
Have you asked NSD or cyclinic if they can service the shock ? If they can't then they might be able to suggest something.
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I went to them in the last fortnight as I have a 2008 Genius mc30 with the proprietary shock - no go with either. My rear still functioning fine but was looking to get it done as the bike's been in storage for a couple of years and felt it would be wise. However the advice from Sheppard (via my LBS) as someone previously mentioned was they are sending them to NZ Scott service centre these days and the astronomical cost means it's not worth it!

I'll keep riding her until the rear packs it in but once that happens it's all over really ... The way the back end is designed it's not like you can drop in an alternative shock. I won't get a bike with a proprietary set up like that again but I have enjoyed the bike. Gives me a reason to get new bike at some point:)

Sounds like my fox talas rL 32 100-140 that that came stock on this bike might be worth something at the end - always looked after and in great nick ;)
 
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