2017 Banshee Phantom or Kona Process 111 Frame?

Discussion in 'Enduro / All Mountain' started by ForkinGreat, Sep 13, 2016.

  1. ForkinGreat

    ForkinGreat Random Krishna

    gearing up to buy a FS 29er frame to replace my Banshee Paradox HT. the Paradox is fine, I'm just middle aged and creaky and need a more cushy ride than the HT.

    I'm thinking the Phantom might be better as the rear triangle should be very stiff with FA lateral flex. Anyone ridden a recent phantom or process 111? how did you find the ride on them?

    if I go Phantom, I'm not sure what shock CC (not sure which) or Monarch RT3 would be best for a heavy bugger like me 110kg...
    if I go Process, would the monarch RT shock be ok for my weight?

    already have a X=Fusion trace HLR fork to use. currently 120mm but can be set to 140mm max travel.

    Also, any idea what Cane Creek Angleset would suit these? ze germans seem to have a good selection inc the 1.5deg versions... CRC etc only seem to have the 1deg models
     
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2016
  2. The Reverend

    The Reverend Likes Dirt

    Can't comment on the Process Vs Phantom, either would be great.
    But to adjust the geo perhaps offset bushings are the way forward? Seen some awesome looking ones on offsetbushings.com (never used them but they seem really well made from what I can see).
    Just an option....
     
  3. ForkinGreat

    ForkinGreat Random Krishna

    the offset bushings look like a cool low cost option. It might lower the BB a tad much(??) Phantom and Process BBs are already fairly low it seems.
     
  4. allan.taylor64

    allan.taylor64 Likes Dirt

    I Cant comment on Phantom vs 111 but I do work in a shop that sells Kona and we haven't had one warranty issue with a single Kona. That says a lot about the brand.
     
  5. Boom King

    Boom King Wheel size expert

    Phantom has adjustable dropouts allowing for different HA's. Also allow for different hub standards.
     
  6. FatMuz

    FatMuz Likes Dirt

    Contact Stu at Defcon. info@defconcycles.com.au
    I'm pretty sure his personal Spitty runs an angle headset, so he'll point you in the right direction as far as that goes.
    Phantom is cool...I've owned two (don't ask) but have you considered the Prime, which I actually prefer over the Phantom.
    Can't wait for the 2017 Prime frame to arrive.
     
  7. rsclio

    rsclio Likes Dirt

    Ive got the same 2 on my radar.
    Just before the process line came out I got a Satori which has been an awesome bike
    Then I was tempted to try the 27.5 and picked up a used spitfire frame.
    So I have relatives of each!
    Spitty is an Awesome bike but did not really blow me away after the Kona.

    I have had a quick spin on a 111DL which I gelled with instantly
    Not ridden a Phantom but would love to try one out.
    Kona geo changed a lot for 2017 a lot longer TT may be which fits you best.
    That said if it is of importance to you Phantom has a threaded BB
     
  8. ForkinGreat

    ForkinGreat Random Krishna

    I've already got a Rune, so I'm really looking for a shorter travel trail bike for a different sort of ride feel.

    @ rsclio - threaded BB is a plus.
     
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2016
  9. jono.r

    jono.r Squid

    Excuse my ignorance, who are ze Germans? I'm only familiar with UK stores
     
  10. JTmofo

    JTmofo XC Enthusiast

    Bike24. Bike-discount.de etc
     
  11. wkkie

    wkkie Likes Bikes and Dirt

    hibike.com is another good German.
     
  12. jono.r

    jono.r Squid

    Cheers, I'll have to check them out.
     
  13. Henry Grover

    Henry Grover Cannon Fodder

    Phantom issues

    Hey i know i'm not supposed to ask but I have a phantom too and just cracked the top tube right at the head tube and down tube. How was banshee with the warranty process? Would you get another phantom?

    Thanks!
     
  14. juan

    juan Likes Dirt

    I had 2 rides on a kona process 111 and is posibly the best bike i ever ridden, a xc bike with a motocrosser heart!
     
  15. waldog

    waldog Likes Bikes and Dirt

    Kona demo ride in Melbourne????

    Shall we revive this conversation? Yes.

    My nose keeps sniffing out the Process 111, but not having ridden any 29ers properly, well aware they've changed over the years, i'd really want to throw a leg over before purchasing.

    Is there anywhere in Melbourne that has a demo rig? Anyone on here willing to meet up for a ride and let me pedal theirs for a bit?

    Cheers, Grant.
     
  16. SDA

    SDA Likes Dirt

    Try Yarra Valley Cycles. Great bike - loved mine!
     

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