I like it how you have to climb Stromlo at the end. For 85km the final climb up stromlo is lingering in the back of your mind and it's a great feeling when you get to the top. Perfect end to a race I say!! If it were easy, we wouldn't do it.
Capital Punishment 2011
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pistonbroke
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It's interesting to see the un-timed section came into play again for the winner. Dylan did not cross the line first but must have used his time/strategy in the un-timed section well to take the win.
Don't get me wrong I like the challange of riding up Stromlo at the finish it kind of doubles the achievement. What I really enjoyed about last year was struggling to the top knowing that it was downhill all the way to the finish, whereas this year we had to go out to the back of Stromlo as well and I was too knackered to enjoy the great tracks out there, whereas I was really enjoying the Kowen and Majura ST.
I am curious to know what peoples thoughts/tactics where in the untimed section.
I personally I counted the time through this section in "my" time for the race (to compare with other 100km races) so I didn't stop for any extended period just a few stretches before the end. With hindsight I should have stopped for 5-10mins to get a good feed in to give me the energy to ride Stromlo
I am curious to know what peoples thoughts/tactics where in the untimed section.
I personally I counted the time through this section in "my" time for the race (to compare with other 100km races) so I didn't stop for any extended period just a few stretches before the end. With hindsight I should have stopped for 5-10mins to get a good feed in to give me the energy to ride Stromlo
Clyde Dave
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I was the same, just kept riding through and counted it as my time.
We all had to do take the route through there so I don't really see the point of making it untimed.
If is was just timed then the crowd at the end could just cheer for the first person through, not stand around wondering.
We all had to do take the route through there so I don't really see the point of making it untimed.
If is was just timed then the crowd at the end could just cheer for the first person through, not stand around wondering.
JD26
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Pretty much the positions were set when everyone exited majura at the start of the untimed section and did not change appreciably by the finish.
The only exception was Peter Hatton, who had some issues around the defence land and probably lost 2 minutes, and exited majura in 7th place. He was able to join up with Dylan, Marc, Ivan, Trekkie and hammer it over to Stromlo from Black Mountain.
From here he was pretty much able to stay with Dylan and then pass him after the luge and hold it to the finish. Overall he ended up with 2nd, so a big jump up the rankings.
All others in the top 10 only reshuffled to slot Peter in pretty much.
The lead bunch pretty much split up going up Hackett Hill and the gaps were established between here and exiting Majura.
Time gains were made by the group above from Black Mountain to the finish, but did not change the overall placings hugely - mainly just extended time gaps as people fatigued (Peter Hatton excepted)
Not sure how it played out for other people.
cam-o
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it was a safety/insurance thing. If that section was timed it would have increased the probability of people hammering down public bike paths and crossing the roads recklessly. If someone had tagged a pedestrian or a car the event would have no future.
That section wasn't my favourite bit, but it's just the price you pay to get a 100k event so close to a city in multiple forests. i can't see any other way to string it together.
Bushranger
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Photos?
Are the aurora group doing them? Can't find them on their website?
I'm still buzzing and looking for more races now.
Re the untimed section. It's a no brainer. The only possible way. Certainly done very well except I would have had the second set of timing mats on the other side of the locked gate.
I enjoyed the ride through the streets. Good chance to socialise. (there are some top people in the MTB community). I did see some people doing some stupid things like running red lights, cutting through corners, racing etc... there is always a few who "just don't get it".
Are the aurora group doing them? Can't find them on their website?
I'm still buzzing and looking for more races now.
Re the untimed section. It's a no brainer. The only possible way. Certainly done very well except I would have had the second set of timing mats on the other side of the locked gate.
I enjoyed the ride through the streets. Good chance to socialise. (there are some top people in the MTB community). I did see some people doing some stupid things like running red lights, cutting through corners, racing etc... there is always a few who "just don't get it".
Clyde Dave
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Don't get me wrong, I think the way that they pieced all the canberra tracks together was excellent, loved the day. Just didn't see the point of the untimed thing.
But you're right, if people try to race through those areas and do some damage to themselves, or someone/something else, game over.
I just cruise along though, so I don't think from a racers perspective!
I was at the back end of the 50k, so I was passed by the pointy end of the 100 clickers as we climbed up Mt Stromlo. I must say, every single one who flew past were very gracious as I moved aside and most yelled out words of encouragement as they disappeared into the ether. Yet, they still seamed to understand that we were all still "racing" the others around us.
One guy in the top 15 even stopped and offered a gel to me as a cramped while trying to track-stand on the inside of a hairpin to let him get past cleanly. I have no idea who it was (I was cramping like a little bitch), but thank you mate.
Anyways, it was a freakin awesome day. I can't wait for next year ...
One guy in the top 15 even stopped and offered a gel to me as a cramped while trying to track-stand on the inside of a hairpin to let him get past cleanly. I have no idea who it was (I was cramping like a little bitch), but thank you mate.
Anyways, it was a freakin awesome day. I can't wait for next year ...
pistonbroke
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Not quite right. Dylan was in first position before the un-timed section. He then took 9 minutes longer than Craig Gordon, he then came out of the un-timed section in forth place, a position he held until the finish. But the extra time he spent in the un-timed section is taken off his race time giving him the win.
I believe Red Racer did the same last year.
Knopey
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I'm not sure why you wouldn't use almost all your untimed allocation (unless you were just trying to compare to other 100k's like someone above). I used it all except 2 minutes, because I wanted the best "official" result possible for myself even though it doesn't matter to anyone else, and it's a bit boggling why many of the top guys didn't use all their time too?
Perhaps it comes down to other strategies eg. keeping on a bunch, making a split, etc?
Perhaps it comes down to other strategies eg. keeping on a bunch, making a split, etc?
JD26
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The time taken in the untimed section is NOT actually used to calculate the final time.
Your race time is the actual time of the individual legs.
http://www.multisportaustralia.com.au/RaceTecResults/MyResults.aspx?CId=1&RId=522&EId=1&AId=18212
Dylan was faster than Craig through each leg as follows
Start to Sutton Road: 0:00:02
Sutton Rd to Majura entry: 0:00:27
Majura pines complete section: 0:01:31
Black mountain to arboretum: 0:00:37
Arboretum to Finish: 0:03:12
This adds up to 0:05:48
Dylan's time was 3:40:39, craig's was 3:46:27 -- a difference of 0:05:48
It didn't matter that Dylan took 39:13 and craig took 31:47 (a difference of 0:07:26) in the untimed section. It is not used to actually calculate the ultimate time.
If you took 20 minutes or 45 minutes it didn't matter. It just was not used. Only your individual legs were used to determine the ultimate time. That is, the actual 90km that you actually raced.
People will use the untimed section mainly to get more drink and food, rest up, look for others to ride with, make a break through traffic etc. There are pros and cons to all of these of course and are down to the individual.
The benefit of the untimed section comes into play if you are able to hook up with faster guys who are technically in front of you. A train of 5 will motor a quite bit faster than a solo rider.
Tactics and ethics will come into play as to who actually does the work. Whether it is shared evenly or whether you force the poorest placed rider or the best placed rider to do the work is chosen at the discretion of the group.
The amount of time you spend in the untimed section is irrelevant unless you spend more than 45 minutes (the max allowed time). Many riders (myself included) would have had 20 or more minutes to kill once at the Black Mtn trails. Some of this time would be used to get a good feed and a stretch but this length of time might lead to too much cooling down and affect performance overall. It wouldn't affect my performance but quite frankly I got bored and decided to get back on the bike instead.
Photos are up http://www.auroraimages.com.au/index.php?category=gallery/events/mtb/cp11&start=0
Remember to check the unidentified - there's loads of those.
Remember to check the unidentified - there's loads of those.
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Bushranger
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bugger. I only got three photos, 2 in the one spot. all photos from a distance and me just riding straight. I actually "posed" for 3 photos that aren't there. I didn't get a finish photo, where I rolled across the line, heading straight for the camera deliberately with thumbs up....????
Ah well, you get what you pay for!
Still buzzing from the event and scouring race calendar looking for more.
Echo the thoughts of others re passing and getting passed. Just a great vide out there. It's mabo.
Knopey
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Yes I know how it works, and that it's irrelevant. Yep cooling down too much is a reason that could explain it.
Two years in a row the elite that took about the longest allowed time in the untimed section won though - there's something in that I think
There's almost 100 pages of unidentified photos, if your race number isn't legible in the photo it'll be in there... put aside an hour or two to sort through them.bugger. I only got three photos, 2 in the one spot. all photos from a distance and me just riding straight. I actually "posed" for 3 photos that aren't there. I didn't get a finish photo, where I rolled across the line, heading straight for the camera deliberately with thumbs up....????
Ah well, you get what you pay for!
Still buzzing from the event and scouring race calendar looking for more.
Echo the thoughts of others re passing and getting passed. Just a great vide out there. It's mabo.