careful out there

leitch

leitch

Feelin' a bit rrranty
Kerplunk said:
Just so it’s as clear as mud...
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The ambiguity is fucking ridiculous.

I agree completely with @moorey that we should all be erring on the side of caution rather than toying with the boundaries but ffs just put a number on it you dickheads.

They want it to be vague so that police can have some discretion about whether your story for why you are where you are is genuine but it’s the vagaries that make those bs stories necessary.

My read is if I have to drive it’s too far. I’m not worried about getting pulled over if I’m out on the roadie or xc bike by myself, but putting the bike on the car and spending an hour on the highway to get to Silvan or Red Hill would be taking the piss even though they’re metro.
 
Chriso_29er

Chriso_29er

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Kerplunk said:
You can ride from your door no issues at all..
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That's my argument too!
However, one of my regular rides is a rail trail that's almost directly east for 44km.
I do wonder how they would react to me being in Warburton on a ride from Melbourne suburbs, whether I drove there or not.
To muddy things even further its also still in my own council shire!

As @leitch said, they could easily make it clear, even if only for the exercise rules. Leave the vague rules for the rest.
 
Plankosaurus

Plankosaurus

Spongeplank Dalepantski
Fuck it, it's winter anyway. Trails are miserable and it'll save you a fortune in chains and bearings to just stay home. It's easy for me to say since I lived lockdown last year while everyone else got to play. But it's just not that hard, find a way to deal with it and bunker down so we can all bust out in spring and have some fun again.

The way I like to think about it is that it matters not one shit where you fall on the spectrum of batshit crazy. Crazy scared that we're living a Stephen King novel, or crazy paranoid that it's all a hoax. The action we take in either case and everything in between is identical to get things back to a semblance of normalcy.

-keep away from people
-wear a mask out and about
-get tested the second you feel crook

If we all did this from the start we'd be sitting pretty right now. But a few mush brains figured it didn't apply to them so we're back at square one, or worse.


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moorey

moorey

call me Mia
Even us guys outside the metro restricted zones would be sensible to minimize unnecessary travel. Just talking to a club member who in the last week has been to Harcourt numerous times, You Yangs numerous times, and just drove 5h today to Bright for a quick ride....and I mean quick, he usually does under 5km. He complained about all the police blockades and queues for checks...I say stay the fuck away, even if you’re technically allowed to do so.
Others will disagree, but FFS, can we show some common sense about it?
 
wkkie

wkkie

It's Not Easy Being Green
mike14 said:
He should have said he was a member of Red Hill Trail Riders... You can travel if you are a club member.

I'm still a little unclear on how one guy in a car and then on his bike spreads covod
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Unclear how if he's positive??
 
danncam

danncam

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mike14 said:
He should have said he was a member of Red Hill Trail Riders... You can travel if you are a club member.
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This is an excellent point, if golfers can traverse the metro area to play at Flinders or wherever, why not us. You have made me finally sign up to the red hill riders. I've been meaning to for literally years, but never got round to to it (to my shame).
Hopefully if pulled over it'll pass the cop test.
 
mike14

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wkkie said:
Unclear how if he's positive??
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I'd be very interested, based on what I've read and been told.

Making 3 assumptions:
  • the person doesn't know they are positive
  • the person really is riding alone
  • the person understands and abides by social distancing guidelines (1.5m etc)

So this person gets into their car, drive to RH, gets out of the car at carpark, pulls bike off carrier, faffs about at the back of the car putting on pads/checking tyre pressure/getting bag sorted etc, climbs the climbing trail, gets to the top and has a rest, goes down the trail, repeats the climb and descend a few times, loads bike on car, drives home.

Where is the contact for transmission? This isn't Whistler with long lies to get on a chairlift, or at the top of a run. There's plenty of bushland to take a break without being near any other riders, even if "everybody is there". I was at the Youies during their crazy peak times around a month ago and I didn't get anywhere near 1.5m to another rider except when being overtaken or overtaking, and even then there was plenty of room.

I'm not convinced the trip explained above would even register with DHHS when they do a contact report. My youngest shared a classroom with a positive case for 3 days and it was determined that their desks were far enough apart that we didn't get a notification about the need for a test (we tested him anyway).

Based on #s it is reasonable to say that positive people have been out in the community, but we are not seeing clusters relating to breif outdoor encounters. DHHS looks at "face-to-face" or "prolonged" exposure fora reason. That's why we are seeing clusters from workplaces and sit-down dining/drinking venues.

If the guy was shuttling at RH I'd understand, and be appalled at his decision and whoever was the running the shuttle, but individual riding? It's the same as me going for a pedal from my driveway (in fact I'd bet I come in 'close' contact with more people due to everyone out exercising) just in a much nicer environment, and with less chance of being hit by a car.

But, I'm always happy to learn new things so, where do you believe the transmission point(s) is in the above?
 
moorey

moorey

call me Mia
danncam said:
This is an excellent point, if golfers can traverse the metro area to play at Flinders or wherever, why not us. You have made me finally sign up to the red hill riders. I've been meaning to for literally years, but never got round to to it (to my shame).
Hopefully if pulled over it'll pass the cop test.
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Personally, I hope there’s a grandfather clause to stop everyone doing this. It’s a few weeks. That said, excellent club, they deserve support. Was planning to make them my 3rd MTBA club at some stage already. Will wait til this passes though.
 
C

creaky

XMAS Plumper
mike14 said:
I'd be very interested, based on what I've read and been told.

Making 3 assumptions:
  • the person doesn't know they are positive
  • the person really is riding alone
  • the person understands and abides by social distancing guidelines (1.5m etc)
So this person gets into their car, drive to RH, gets out of the car at carpark, pulls bike off carrier, faffs about at the back of the car putting on pads/checking tyre pressure/getting bag sorted etc, climbs the climbing trail, gets to the top and has a rest, goes down the trail, repeats the climb and descend a few times, loads bike on car, drives home.

Where is the contact for transmission? This isn't Whistler with long lies to get on a chairlift, or at the top of a run. There's plenty of bushland to take a break without being near any other riders, even if "everybody is there". I was at the Youies during their crazy peak times around a month ago and I didn't get anywhere near 1.5m to another rider except when being overtaken or overtaking, and even then there was plenty of room.

I'm not convinced the trip explained above would even register with DHHS when they do a contact report. My youngest shared a classroom with a positive case for 3 days and it was determined that their desks were far enough apart that we didn't get a notification about the need for a test (we tested him anyway).

Based on #s it is reasonable to say that positive people have been out in the community, but we are not seeing clusters relating to breif outdoor encounters. DHHS looks at "face-to-face" or "prolonged" exposure fora reason. That's why we are seeing clusters from workplaces and sit-down dining/drinking venues.

If the guy was shuttling at RH I'd understand, and be appalled at his decision and whoever was the running the shuttle, but individual riding? It's the same as me going for a pedal from my driveway (in fact I'd bet I come in 'close' contact with more people due to everyone out exercising) just in a much nicer environment, and with less chance of being hit by a car.

But, I'm always happy to learn new things so, where do you believe the transmission point(s) is in the above?
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When the stop to do a shit at the public toilets, decide they need a bite to eat on the way home, get some water from a tap.

The whole point is to reduce overall community transmission likelihood. Some people will do more (like stay at home as much as possible) and some will do less (like pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable to the perceived limit).
 
mike14

mike14

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creaky said:
When the stop to do a shit at the public toilets, decide they need a bite to eat on the way home, get some water from a tap.

The whole point is to reduce overall community transmission likelihood. Some people will do more (like stay at home as much as possible) and some will do less (like pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable to the perceived limit).
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But it's very possible to ride and not do those things. Old mate can hold it in (remember he's aware of social distancing and public toilets are horrible at the best of times, plus you could close them), he's packed extra water because he knows he can get it at the car, and he packed a snack.
Everything you've posted is available for others to do and we don't seem to really care (except those pushing for a 'hard' lockdown.
If old mate doesn't go to Red Hill he runs laps of his local park where he uses the water fountain, drops a deuce and then grabs a takeaway coffee on the walk home...
We know exercising isn't perceived as an issue because it is allowed, encouraged by most, and they wrote in rules that allowed you to travel if you were a club member (I honestly had no idea the gold lobby was so powerful).
Again, why is a guy in his car and then on a bike an issue that gets people screaming "do the right thing" or syaing it is pushing the boundaries? What actual boundary is being pushed here from a social distancing, transmission safety perspective?
 
gippyz

gippyz

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That Grey area of exercise is really just a way for cops to dish out more fines and raise revenue - someone has to pay for jobkeeper jobtrainer jobseeker whatever.

When Sydney was in lockdown, I started just riding on the road and running around where I am just to avoid having to drive across suburbs to ride and cop a fine. Nsw coppers were really out on patrol during lockdown. Just riding about 10km around my area, I see many cop cars stopping cars and do checks.

Back to exercise around my local area, Well that didn’t get me anywhere as the pavement or cyclway was choke full of people who I guess were normally out in cafe, restaurant, or mate place socialising. I can’t social distance, it’s just impossible. Road was still busy as hell with goons speeding up and down the road as if they own the road. I gave up and lucky enough not long after, we were allowed to travel for exercise and I started riding dirt again, oh only to find they’re also crowded.

So I can never win. I need to exercise to keep myself healthy, but I can’t do it safely enough so as to not contract covid.
 
ozzybmx

ozzybmx

taking a shit with my boobs out
gippyz said:
That Grey area of exercise is really just a way for cops to dish out more fines and raise revenue
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Reckon in this case, the economy losses are going to be greater than a few fines... probably 'grey' so that the pollies can visit their holiday homes.

I believe Tasmania was the only state in Aus that put a distance on it, 30km max from your home to exercise.
 
K

Kerplunk

Likes Bikes and Dirt
creaky said:
When the stop to do a shit at the public toilets, decide they need a bite to eat on the way home, get some water from a tap.

The whole point is to reduce overall community transmission likelihood. Some people will do more (like stay at home as much as possible) and some will do less (like pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable to the perceived limit).
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That’s where the common sense cavet comes in on the vic restrictions. Driving 1 hr across town is not in spirit of the restrictions. But driving with bikes on the car for 5-10 minutes to get to safe trails/paths away from heavy traffic/crowds is completely reasonable..
My closet bike/walking/running paths are unusable, cannot keep 1.5 m space, absolutely packed and not wide enough. To ride to the other closest path requires 100m of elevation gain across an interstate highway.. Not reasonable for young kids or safe to ride.. I will still load my kids bikes up and drive that 5mins to safer trails and look forward to challenging a fine in court if a copper gives me a ticket.
 
Asininedrivel

Asininedrivel

caviar connoisseur
Ugh. Was gonna drive 17km from my place to Plenty Gorge for a ride but..... it no longer feels like it passes the pub test. Yarra Trails it is.
 
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