COVID-19: who’s going full doomsday prep on this?

rockmoose

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I don’t even know where to start with that. So I won’t. I’m sorry you are suffering.
If you think ‘fuck the nurses’ is the solution, we are done though. The rest of what you said has essentially fuck all to do with anything I said.
'Fuck the nurses' is clearly the solution.

 

pink poodle

Our man isn't in the West
Well bollocks to the lot of you pansies. I for one am glad I no longer have to spend any more time in quarantine.
Seriously. you try spending over 100 days in isolation when not working on what is essentially a giant floating bomb that's getting more and more dangerous by the day because the manpower required for the essential care and maintenance over the last year and a half has not been there due to closed borders.

Yeah, nurses and ICU staff are going to have a tough time of it but fuck it. We've had an absolute cunt of a time for the last 18 months and at least in a hospital when you finish shift you can go home, see your family and not worry about the fact that where you sleep is also where you work and where you know there's at least one or two areas of rusting steel precariously holding back tonnes of high-pressure hydrocarbons that have probably gone unchecked due to a lack of resources.

Aside from having to clean up after myself and having to endure the horrors of an Australian summer, this last lockdown has been great for me in almost every way. I'd almost not complain if it went on a little longer.
 

Squidfayce

Trigger happy
Well, first of all, why are the fucking basket cases of Brexit Britain and Red-State USA used as our automatic examples of how things will go when we relax the borders? Why does noone ever use Canada or the Scandinavian countries
This reminds me of a conversation one of my friends posted to her socials she had with her husband. She's a geneticist working on this hand waving covid stuff.

Here is brief recap of a discussion we had with Leo last night. Maybe some of you would be interested in hearing it.

L: Why is it we're in and out of lockdown, while other countries are out and are doing fine (judging by their fb photos of no masks, outside, travelling, chilling with friends). We should be like them.
K: Which countries do you mean?
L: Let's say France.
K: France, total 6.23M, dead, 112K, 28,000 new cases yesterday. Australia, total 35,384, dead 927. You sure you want to be like France?
L: Ok, maybe not France. How about a country similar to Australia - Canada?
K: Total cases 1.44M, deaths 26,637. And Canada has a fairly similar Stringency Index to Australia (i.e. similar strictness of lockdowns).
L: What about Norway?
K: 139K cases 804 deaths, for a country of ~5M, comparing to Australia's ~25M. Around 450 new cases per day now, in summer, with the lowest number of new cases since October last year hovering around 100.
L: And their healthcare system is much better than ours - hence probably less deaths...
K: So which of these countries would you like to be more like?
L: Yeah, I'm not sure anymore.
I think the potential for this disease to get out of hand in Australia is real. And most people I've spoken to don't even appreciate what that means in day to day basis for them. They're just interested in going to the pub or shopping. Most of them are actually shocked when the Doherty or Burnet moddeling is explained to them in terms relevant to them. "wow" and "I had no idea" are the top two responses I get.

Up to now we've been lucky and it's been at the expense of much freedom. But the outcomes from a health perspective have been measurably better than basically every other country. That's not an opinion. That's all about to evaporate.

I personally like not having somone else decide my risk appetite for contracting covid. However going to this whole covid normal, that goes away too.

I'll see if I can find it, but a long term study of about 227K covid patients found a third of them had at least one ongoing complication from it. That study included a significant vaccinated cohort and found that the prevalence of ongoing complications was roughly equal in the vaxxed or not. So yeah, I'd be happy to stay locked down for along as it takes for something reliable to come along that actually prevents the disease rather than making it less serious with a chance of a lucky dip of other long lasting health conditions. For some of us on this forum it will mean not having the energy or lung capacity to ride a bike again for an undeterminable amount of time cos some cunts "didn't get it". And that's not a reference to you, just a subset of general population who drove us to this point with their selfishness that has forced the govts hand to release the kraken as its main strategy.
 
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Asininedrivel

caviar connoisseur
Feels a bit like we wasted our time with the lockdown. Going from 0-100
Totally.

My 2c: as a collective enough of us have clearly run out of patience and the "I've suffered enough" crowd have won out. F* the nurses. F the ambos, f** everyone who works in the medical system, I want my freedom back and choose not to think about those who are going to reap the whirlwind (and you can bet the house those same people will be lining up to screech like banshees if / when our healthcare system gets totally overwhelmed and dear old gran drops dead from survivable non-COVID related complications because she's been ramped for 2 hours).

However.....

The non-compliance this time around is symptomatic of a potentially just as dangerous issue imo. I've witnessed, been subject to and anecdotally heard about dozens of cases of just inexplicable behaviour among many people that seemingly points to some pretty severe mental health issues caused by the lockdowns. It's been easy for me, I can work from home, my income hasn't been affected, I like my own company, I don't have kids and about the biggest inconvenience has been the gyms and pubs being shut and I can't go riding where I want. For those who can't work, are watching their savings drain away and their plans and dreams with it, are stuck home schooling disgruntled children who don't understand or are just naturally sociable people who need the company of others to flourish... Yeah. So I think the Government has just weighed up the odds, looked at the science(ish), set vaccination targets and crossed their fingers. I'm not sure what else they could do, apart from anything else this is costing us shitloads.

On a more positive note, cases in the USA were around 160,000+ a month or so ago, with not much of a vaccination drive they're down to around 80,000 a day now - as it's getting colder and more people are inside. Maybe this thing does have a critical mass...
 

Squidfayce

Trigger happy
The non-compliance this time around is symptomatic of a potentially just as dangerous issue imo. I've witnessed, been subject to and anecdotally heard about dozens of cases of just inexplicable behaviour among many people that seemingly points to some pretty severe mental health issues caused by the lockdowns.
People in this bucket dont generally suddenly devlop mental health issues. I'm sure lockdowns exacerbate them, but mental health support is and has been available throughout the pandemic. Those seeking help have gotten it and some objective data to it working is that suicides have dropped in a statistically significant way. Calls toservices like beyoned blu enad lifeline are through teh roof. Those arent always the help epople need, but support is there. There has been more fund pumped into triaging those in need.

The cases youre referring to are generally those that would be least likely to seek treatment. You know, they type that think there is nothing wrong with them, its the rest of the people around them that are the problem. Theres genreally, in my experience, not much you can do for them.
 

moorey

Carte d'or what?
On a more positive note, cases in the USA were around 160,000+ a month or so ago, with not much of a vaccination drive they're down to around 80,000 a day now - as it's getting colder and more people are inside. Maybe this thing does have a critical mass...
Still averaging 1700 deaths a day though, and they seem disturbingly comfortable with that...... Imagine if there was a terrorist attack each day with a similar death count. From what I read, the majority of those deaths are still attributed to the health system overload. Then there's the non covid deaths from people who can't get treated due to covid overload. I doubt we'll ever see anything like that, but it's not an impossible scenario.
 

Squidfayce

Trigger happy
Still averaging 1700 deaths a day though, and they seem disturbingly comfortable with that...... Imagine if there was a terrorist attack each day with a similar death count. From what I read, the majority of those deaths are still attributed to the health system overload. Then there's the non covid deaths from people who can't get treated due to covid overload. I doubt we'll ever see anything like that, but it's not an impossible scenario.
Covid deaths and terror deaths are a poor comparison to make though.

There were over 600k cancer deaths in the US in 2020. people didn't jump up and down about those either. Im unsure of the overall proportion of covid deaths in comparison to all other deaths in the US combined is, but i suspect that mortality increase overall would be in the low single digits - statistically significant, but not socially significant. There are people in every highly infected country who've still not been exposed, or even know someone who has been impacted by covid and as such 1700 deaths a day is a "whatever" scenario.

Terror and the post 9/11 US rhetoric around terror has touched EVERY American despite most not having any connection to the events. And even if the rhetoric has been waved away by those a little more sensible, they still have been impacted by the mass surveillance that followed (ala NSA). So I think there would be absolute outrage on many levels if 1700 people were dying from terror attacks a day if not for the simple fact that being spied on was supposed to protect them against it.
 

ozzybmx

call me Cáitín
the biggest inconvenience has been the gyms and pubs being shut and I can't go riding where I want. For those who can't work, are watching their savings drain away and their plans and dreams with it, are stuck home schooling disgruntled children
That will be the hard bit for SA, WA, NT and Tas.

We have no internal restrictions, we go to the pub, restaurants, hairdresser... gyms are open, casino open, sheesha lounges open, kids are at school and apart from Interstate travel, life is basically normal with check ins and masks.

I can't even think how Marshmallow is going to introduce corona to a clean state.
 

BKMad

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That will be the hard bit for SA, WA, NT and Tas.

We have no internal restrictions, we go to the pub, restaurants, hairdresser... gyms are open, casino open, sheesha lounges open, kids are at school and apart from Interstate travel, life is basically normal with check ins and masks.

I can't even think how Marshmallow is going to introduce corona to a clean state.
Once covid is endemic in Vic and NSW I think you'll have a hard time keeping it out. It will start with a little outbreak and before you know it, they'll throw their hands in the air and say 'oh well we need to learn to live with it now'.
 

slowmick

"I am over 1000 kg"
My wife is from Yarrawonga and a large part of her family and friends are still there. They are terrified. They have had very few cases of covid in town but summer is coming and they are going to be overrun by tourists from Melbourne. They have a tiny hospital and a huge retiree population. They need the tourists to keep the town going but would prefer they stayed away.
 

ozzybmx

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Once covid is endemic in Vic and NSW I think you'll have a hard time keeping it out. It will start with a little outbreak and before you know it, they'll throw their hands in the air and say 'oh well we need to learn to live with it now'.
Marshmallows has already said he will obey party orders and open up when directed to.

I can't see that happening but if we get another cluster, they won't throw us into strict lockdown like they have in the past.

SA has a bad ramping problem already, I don't know how they are going to deal with 1000's of corona cases a day.
 

dazz

Queen Karen of Ballarat
Still averaging 1700 deaths a day though, and they seem disturbingly comfortable with that...... Imagine if there was a terrorist attack each day with a similar death count. From what I read, the majority of those deaths are still attributed to the health system overload. Then there's the non covid deaths from people who can't get treated due to covid overload. I doubt we'll ever see anything like that, but it's not an impossible scenario.
Yes, very disturbing. They really need to 'pump up those numbers'. (insert meme here)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-07-25/population-growth-world-overshoot-day/11320990
https://overpopulation-project.com/what-is-the-optimal-sustainable-population-size-of-humans/

Enjoy the life we've got now peeps cos it's going to be a pretty shitty time for our decedents.
In some ways, it's too bad that the conspiracy nut theory's aren't true, the world could use a decent pop adjustment about now... #don't_kill_me_tho
 
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