F%#k you Carl Scully

dcrofty

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Former transport minister, what chance have we got.

Cyclists do not have the same rights as motorists on roads
CARL SCULLY
November 11, 2009


I have always respected cycling as a healthy means of exercising and socialising with others. In fact in my earlier years, I too, enjoyed cycling as a way of relaxing and exercising. As a former roads minister, however, I thought cycling needed to be done in the appropriate context and venue for the safety of all who use the roads. For these reasons, I endeavoured, perhaps more than any other roads minister, to provide safe cycle ways and invested millions of dollars in the process. Over more than eight years from November 1996 to January 2005, I spent a lot of time building road infrastructure and ensuring ways to make our roads safer.

Unfortunately, the recent extraordinary event of a road raging cyclist hopping on a bus and assaulting its driver demonstrates exactly what I am talking about and the sometimes quite volatile interaction between motorists and cyclists.

City of Sydney's bike plans dwarf all of NSW

Early on as roads minister, I was concerned that not enough had been done over a number of years for cycling safety and facilities. My initial views were confirmed when I asked the RTA for a detailed briefing on its cycling policies and achievements. Instead of the usual serious and senior operative I always got when it came to discussing plans for motorways and road upgrades, I was sent a kid with jeans and a beard, and not much to tell me. The RTA lifted its game, actually appointed a general manager for cycling and we were able to produce Action for Bikes 2010 and for the first time a substantial commitment on cycle way infrastructure and safety over a sustained period of time.

Despite a massive increase in funding, policy and delivery, the bicycle lobby groups remained at best sceptical, and at worst disappointingly hostile. Perhaps this was because I made it quite clear that I believed riding a bike on a road was profoundly unsafe and that where I could I would shift them to off road cycle ways.

I am still surprised as to how someone willingly gets on a bike and takes a huge risk with cars, trucks and buses, often travelling well over 80 km/h. Motorists get fined for not wearing a seat belt and not strapping their children in properly, for good reason. It is unsafe to be in a vehicle without being belted in properly. That leaves cyclists very vulnerable. No one would suggest it is safe for pedestrians to be on the roadway, so why should it be any different if a pedestrian gets on a bike? While individuals do take all sorts of risk voluntarily every day, either by necessity, or for the thrill of it, the road is quite a different environment. Government with its regulatory powers is the only way a safe playing field can be set for all who wish to use our roads.

The claim put to me often by cycling lobby groups, "that bicycles are non-motorised vehicular transport and have as much right to be on the road as any other vehicle", was a claim I rejected firmly every time. And they never spoke up at all for the thousands of mums, dads and kids who wanted to ride their bikes on a weekend and couldn't because there were no safe facilities.

In rejecting the "we have a right to be on the road" mentality of cyclists and their lobby groups, I also took a measured and balanced policy position on how best to separate bicycles and vehicles from our roads over time.

Shifting cyclists off our roads or even banning them was neither fair nor entirely possible without providing off-road alternatives. I made a decision that all future major road infrastructure would be built with off-road cycle ways.

This included any major cyclical maintenance on road surfaces, which would include a section of off-road cycle way along the length of the newly refurbished road. This policy along with cycle ways along some rail corridors, started with the Wolli Creek Valley Cycleway with the M5 East, the parallel off-road cycle ways along bus only T-ways, running from Liverpool to Parramatta and on to Rouse Hill and finally the best of them all, the 40-kilometre, 3.5-metre wide, grade-separated, off-road cycle way along the length of the M7 motorway. The M7 cycle way is probably the longest and best engineered off-road cycle way in the country. To ensure a person could safely cycle non-stop for 40 kilometres, without crossing a road, or passing through a set of lights, the cycle way needed to go over and under numerous off ramps and intersections along its entire route.

I thought, and in fact assumed, that the cycling lobby would heap praise on the Government for this cycling Manna from heaven. Instead, I got roundly condemned for not building a cycle way that was flat and easy to train on! Having committed tens of millions of toll-paying motorists' dollars on this fantastic project, I was more than a little disappointed with the reaction.

As I suspected at the time, this was the high point of Government interest in building major off-road cycle facilities. Had I kept the roads portfolio until the opening of the M7, I had intended to ban cyclists from using the M7 motorway itself. Instead, every day we see cyclists travelling in the break-down lane next to trucks and cars travelling well over 110 km/h with a perfectly suitable off-road cycle way sometimes only metres away! This is incredibly dangerous to both the cars and bicycle riders themselves.

I am not aware of any substantial building plan for the future, so we are left with cyclists using roads, which are simply unsafe for them. Without infrastructure alternative for cyclists, it may be necessary to regulate the manner and time in which they may use our roads.

Many roads do have wide shoulders that can be used by cyclists. If cyclists choose to travel in packs on early Sunday mornings, that is OK for most. But, the lone cyclist travelling in the middle of a vehicle lane at morning or evening peak hours is not only unsafe for the cyclist, but is often quite unsafe for motorists as they weave around them. I would be happy to see a ban during morning and evening peak times. Time-of-day cycling would ensure that our roads during peak periods are for the sole use of vehicles and not for the use of cyclists.

If pedestrians and cyclists can share off-road cycle ways, then why not where appropriate, share footpaths? Local councils would have to step up and start building much wider footpaths and cyclists would need to take greater care of pedestrians.

Cyclists are unlikely to be happy being regulated to time-of-day cycling or to footpaths and off-road facilities. But, before rejecting this option out of hand, they should consider not only how unsafe it is to be sharing the roadway with vehicles, but also acknowledge that it is motorists who pay fuel levies, tolls, registration and licence fees, as well as the huge cost of buying and running a motor vehicle. Apart from a negligible amount of GST on their equipment, cyclists pay nothing towards the cost of the roads they wish to use and rely on motorists to fund most of the cost of cycling infrastructure. Being more aware of this may make more cyclists a little more sensitive to the needs of the motoring public.

Carl Scully is the former NSW minister for roads and is now a principal at Evans & Peck Pty Ltd.

So cranky about this.
 
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trt-reece

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Absolute twat of a bloke. It'll be a long time before bikes are openly welcome on the roads, at this rate
 

Knopey

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If only politicians were that honest about their views while they were actually running for, or in, office.

That way you'd know how much a of a dickhead they are before they get plonked in a role where they can do so much damage.

I wonder what other current ministers hold such wonky views but just don't come out with it because they're still in office. Scary...
 

dcrofty

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I felt better reading all the comments on that article, couple of supporters there but a vast majority of cyclists pulling his arguments to shreds.
 

trailburner

Rocky Trail Entertainment
I felt better reading all the comments on that article, couple of supporters there but a vast majority of cyclists pulling his arguments to shreds.
Same here - I couldn't believe what this guy wrote. Plus he was the roads and transport minister??? No wonder riding a bike around Sydney is dangerous.

Several years ago we got a new batch of ministers in Austria: the minister for public health was obese, smoked and her favourite food was pork roast and the defence minister refused to do military service when he was young and did community service instead. However nothing compared to this joker.
 

Moggio

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What's interesting is how Scully can have been so involved with this issue for all those years as a minister and still be so ignorant on so many basic points. Really demonstrates why so little was done and so poorly over all those years.

His view that it is "exercising and socialising" really demonstrates his lack of understanding that for a large number of cyclists it is an alternative form of transport not just a little pootle around on a bicycle.


I do like the line one of the resposes say "When I drive, I am overwhelmingly obstructed by cars, not by bikes." ..an important perspective for the driver who is annoyed by cyclists.
 

noddy

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as a DHer i see riding on the road as scary as f###.

i know some of the XC and road riders think DH is crazy but its a controlled enviroment, on the road you have eveyone else's reactions/actions to consider, i consider you crazy for being on the road.

i agree with the guy that the road is not where any cyclist should be, but i don't have a problem if your on the side of the road in the bike lane, as long as theres a bit of distance between you and traffic.

the veiw that cyclists dont pay and and all that is definatly BS, still doesn't make it safe to ride in a road.

PS; i do a fair bit of commuting on the road so don't think i haven't been there, i know the roads are shite, and drivers hate us, so i stay well away from anything that moves and act like i'm invisible.
 

Knopey

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Roads ain't roads. Some roads are crazy dangerous, you're right - but some aren't crazy, just mildly.

Ultimately it's the individual's decision though and thankfully we're not wrapped in cotton wool - YET :)
 

PDogg

Manly Warringah MTB Club
I will give him some credit for being honest at least. The issue is that he is approaching every issue from the mindset of a non-cyclist. How could he ever expect to get things right? What a perfect quote

'I thought, and in fact assumed, that the cycling lobby would heap praise on the Government for this cycling Manna from heaven. '

Maybe if he'd consulted more widely he wouldn't get rude shocks like this after committing millions of dollars of public money? That cycle way is infact very very good for some cyclists; it's just not good for other cyclists. Personally, I use the motorway; I can sit on 30-35kmph and get where I'm going easy and fast, and I've never had a traffic issue on this road. Alternatively I can take the cycle way which features many blind corners, is much slower, and littered with walkers and dogs etc.

I often get 'held up' on the road by slow trucks and busses, but I'd never suggest that they get banned from the road.

The main thing that always gets me though; in Europe, it's safe to cycle, in Australia it's not. The cars and roads are the same, it's only the attitude of the road users that is different...
 

MasterOfReality

After forever
Yeah now that he's left office and isn't accountable to the public any more.

He was also sacked as police minister for misleading parliament so don't go thinking he's that honest.
Exactly, he was sacked, given the arse, fired, pineappled, bent over because he was such a great minister.

Then again, why anybody even gives a second thought on whatever comes out of former NSW politicians (or the current ones for that matter) is beyond me.
 

BigSplashBear

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as a DHer i see riding on the road as scary as f###.

PS; i do a fair bit of commuting on the road so don't think i haven't been there, i know the roads are shite, and drivers hate us, so i stay well away from anything that moves and act like i'm invisible.
For two years, I have been riding an MTB on a regular commute between Concord & Mascot via Sydney CBD. In all that time, a couple of close calls with doors and one taxi driver that tried to go through two cars before 'love tapping' me. Nothing to write home about.
Two weeks ago I buy a road bike (yeah, yeah....I know!!) and since then riding the same route been abused four times, one hurled bottle and a taxi driver deciding he wanted me as a hood ornament.
Hmmm...beginning to form a theory here about the width of tyres determining the level of abuse we cop when on the roads.

Anyway, enough with the off-topic rant.

Mr Scully suggesting time-based exclusions for cyclists will be met with as much acceptance as (was it Mr Scully or some other knucklehead) suggesting the truck drivers should only drive at night to avoid congesting Sydney roads.

Former politicians serve as much use as a used condom.

Bear - out.
 

gixer7

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Two weeks ago I buy a road bike (yeah, yeah....I know!!).........
Oh so you are happy to admit that to a bunch of strangers on the interweb but not to your mtb buddies?? Nice! Real nice!! :)

I thought Miranda Devine labelled Carl Scully a vergetarian cyclist? I am shocked to hear he is not actually on our side.

While I have no problem with the concept of keeping cars & cyclists separate it is just not practical and blaming cyclists for delaying car drivers is mind blowingly ridiculous.

Where to begin on the concept that car drivers actually pay for all the infrastructure/resources they require???
 

crank1979

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"This included any major cyclical maintenance on road surfaces, which would include a section of off-road cycle way along the length of the newly refurbished road."

Does anyone know if the maintenance/widening being done on the Hume Hwy between Campbelltown and Liverpool is going to have a cycleway added or will the breakdown lane be it?

In general it's all just garbage. The last paragraph sums up his mentality on the issue perfectly.
 

puffnfresh40

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Up here in Cairns, Far north queensland I heard on the news that they proposed a bicycle lane that goes from like the beaches all the way through the CBD and out to the southside... and for all you non cairns people this road is very busy and i have seen alot of people riding bicycles on this road as its a highway and everyone rides there bike to work.

It was designed so that it was not part of the actually road, it was like a road of itself next to the highway. I thought it was a great idea considering that the cyclists have to share the highway with many maniac drivers which is not very safe at all... anyways they denied it because apparently it will cost too much and the cairns council thought that it disrupt local business or something rubbish like that. Its just not cool...

The government really needs to do something about this and as a daily rider on the road it is very dangerous when there is no bike lane.. wake the F*CK up government... you promote australians to be healthy and even advertise walking or riding to work and yet you give us no rights to the road and usually end up getting abused by drivers...

theres my bitch of the day :rolleyes:
 

Drizz

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Once again the Herald passed another piece of opinion junk as "news". Why don't it just save paying Journalist and RSS feed off blogs instead? It will still be the same drivel.

He does have a point: If more bike paths can be build to keep cyclist and road users apart it will certainly reduce conflict. Having a road minister that believe certain road user group should exist just baffles me.
 

Ezreal2001

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Mr Scully suggesting time-based exclusions for cyclists will be met with as much acceptance as (was it Mr Scully or some other knucklehead) suggesting the truck drivers should only drive at night to avoid congesting Sydney roads.

Former politicians serve as much use as a used condom.

Bear - out.
Or perhaps we might have been better served if his patents used a fresh one.

But to the matter at hand - I can't belive he's trotting out the hoary chestnut that rego fees and fuel excises pay for our roads and their upkeep.
 

Dobbo

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I wonder what other current ministers hold such wonky views but just don't come out with it because they're still in office. Scary...
Current minister for roads is David Campbell..... how many times do you reckon he has been on a bike recently.
 

Jonny26

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So I have just got back from the US and I am cycling to work, over Anzac and Sydney Harbor bridge, I am starting to see why some motorists are getting upset, some cyclists are just idiots.

One guy just had to keep running reds and the like. Another guy (who was at least 45), and this was rather amusing, decided he would bunny hop the black strips (on his road bike) as he crossed that large pedestrian bridge near darling harbor. It was busy, perhaps he thought he would have girls fall over themselves with his bunny hopping prowess... I was just wincing every time he landed with a loud clang..

One lady riding through Balmain was wobbling all over the shop in peak hour traffic, it kinda look like she just learnt to ride.

IMO its these people that tarnish the broader cycling community. Thinking about that lady some more, maybe there should be a "Stay upright" course similar to the learner motor bike course ;)

BTW Carl is an F'ing oxygen thief!
 
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