Hindenpork, Now with roco
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---Matt---
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Lookin good Porky! Worth a pretty penny too... let us know how it rides!
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Superman
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Yeah totally, like, with all your information to prove your point and stuff....
Looks nice I would love to have a ride on one to see how they feel. What do you think of it thus far?
Sam
Red Rocket
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C'mon, you know you can't say it has a Roco without doing a mini-review on the shock! Its like like a cock-tease.
Rhys_
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Yeah mate, four bar linkage with non platform shock, gonna pedal greatYeah totally, like, with all your information to prove your point and stuff....
Looks nice I would love to have a ride on one to see how they feel. What do you think of it thus far?
Sam
Superman
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Whats wrong with 4 bar linkage pedalling efficiency? Something that a punter like you or I could iscolate as a problem? Oh shit thats it, it hasnt got 2 page ads saying how great it is like "Maestro" and whatever.... must be crap.....Yeah mate, four bar linkage with non platform shock, gonna pedal great
Non platform shock? Pfft learn to pedal properly.Sam
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Whats wrong with 4 bar linkage pedalling efficiency? Something that a punter like you or I could iscolate as a problem? Oh shit thats it, it hasnt got 2 page ads saying how great it is like "Maestro" and whatever.... must be crap.....
Sam
Exactly Sam, I agree with ya. Learn how to pedal problerly instead on relying on your suspension to do it for you.
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Rhys_
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Ah yes, 15 years old, could have guessed. It was just a comment man, four bar linkage systems are not the best pedallers, basically one of the worst, nice and plush etc though. Team that with a non platform, its gonna be a great ride, but simply won't pedal that well, i wouldn't have done it myself. A roco would work great with a bike that naturally has some system to combat bob.Whats wrong with 4 bar linkage pedalling efficiency? Something that a punter like you or I could iscolate as a problem? Oh shit thats it, it hasnt got 2 page ads saying how great it is like "Maestro" and whatever.... must be crap.....
Sam
udi
swiss cheese
Actually he has a point. FSR bikes aren't known for pedalling incredibly well, and a platform valved shock is pretty beneficial in them IMO. The roco has no platform and no low-speed compression adjuster, from someone who does know about the shock.Superman said:Yeah totally, like, with all your information to prove your point and stuff....
On the other hand - the roco can be user oil-changed and re-shimmed, so a combo of thicker oil, revalving, and backing off the high-speed comp adjuster might get a somewhat desirable result.
But even then it may not be the most desirable solution. Think the roco will be more beneficial in a frame that pedals well by design, and needs a lighter valved shock - sundays, pdc's, etc.
scottmeister
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Well actually the shock shits all over a DHX5 in that frame. Rather the Roco over a DHX5 on any DH track in that frame. Pedals like shit on flat tarmac, but hey, its fuckin' DH bike.
Superman
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Exactly, I doubt Porky gives a fuck how it pedals down a hill, but too many people do. Too many people think that pedalling is everything, but really, a wanky linkage doesnt make you go any faster than say 2 seconds on the clock. A non platform shock, might be that much faster over the rough stuff. Yeah im 15 years old, how old are you? Not that age is really relevant in this debate.
Bodin
GMBC
I need to suggest that you guys may be quoting opinion as fact.
In my opinion, having ridden FSRs across everything from the Simpson Desert to the downhill runs on Mt Buller without platform shocks, I can tell you that they pedal pretty bloody well. And the fact that they don't rely on chain tension finding a "sweet spot" (VPP/Maestro) and don't brake jack (single-pivots/4-bars) rounds out what to me is a very sweet package.
I've owned and/or ridden iDrives, V10s, Bullits, Merida LRS, Konas, etc, but I keep coming back to FSRs for XC and DH. My current XC bike has a platform shock, but if it didn't have a switch to turn the platform off, I would swap it for one that did.
Don't mistake plush for slow - the more your suspension works and keeps your wheels on the ground, the more control you'll have and the faster you'll go. That's my opinion anyway.
udi
swiss cheese
Superman -
I'm just defending the kid you jumped on making the assumption that he didn't know what he was talking about (judging him by his username or postcount) - when in reality you didn't have a clue yourself.
You have turned a factual debate about shock performance in a frame, into an incredibly flawed argument about pedalling performance and its importance in downhill racing.
I'll leave it at that - but this wouldn't be the first time i've seen you hit the reply button without thinking.
Bodin -
I have owned more than one FSR bike and ride one currently. I have ridden them with platform shocks, non platform shocks, and a variety of springs and setups. In actual fact, they do mostly everything pretty well - neutral performance under braking, very little chaingrowth/pedal feedback, good outright suspension activity/bump absorbtion - but one thing they don't excel at is pedalling. Just don't let the fact that you are a specialized fan (as I very much am too) blur your vision when it comes to the facts. Also don't forget we are talking about downhill bikes (that run 35-45% sag), not an xc air-shock that you use in an enduro race.
I'm just defending the kid you jumped on making the assumption that he didn't know what he was talking about (judging him by his username or postcount) - when in reality you didn't have a clue yourself.
You have turned a factual debate about shock performance in a frame, into an incredibly flawed argument about pedalling performance and its importance in downhill racing.
I'll leave it at that - but this wouldn't be the first time i've seen you hit the reply button without thinking.
Bodin -
I have owned more than one FSR bike and ride one currently. I have ridden them with platform shocks, non platform shocks, and a variety of springs and setups. In actual fact, they do mostly everything pretty well - neutral performance under braking, very little chaingrowth/pedal feedback, good outright suspension activity/bump absorbtion - but one thing they don't excel at is pedalling. Just don't let the fact that you are a specialized fan (as I very much am too) blur your vision when it comes to the facts. Also don't forget we are talking about downhill bikes (that run 35-45% sag), not an xc air-shock that you use in an enduro race.
S.
ex offender
Hands up who wants to drop the debate about FSR pedalling efficiency - unless of course, you want to get actual facts involved - (especially since it's highly dependent on the specific layout rather than the three letter acronym) and get back to ooohing and aaahing about the fact that porky can now rock out with his cock out?
Bodin
GMBC
My DH bike is an Iron Horse...
Point taken, though - DH riding and the sag involved is a pretty... well... dare I say it... "specialised" discipline.Fair enough too. I'd love to know how the Roco performs at warp speed through rock gardens, regardless of what linkage it's attached to.
