NSW Hornsby Shire Council "Unstructured Recreation Strategy"

Nmag

Likes Dirt
http://www.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/onexhibition/index.cfm?NavigationID=1440&ArticleID=8531

Open for comment till 21st October 2008.

Send to:
Dana Spence
Parks Asset Coordinator
Parks & Landscape
Hornsby Shire Council
296 Pacific Highway, Hornsby NSW Australia 2077
ph: (02) 9847 6896 fax: (02) 9847 6929 Mobile: 0438 103 162
MailTo: dspence@hornsby.nsw.gov.au

Selected activities are dealt with in the plan including: A range of unstructured sports undertaken for pleasure, away from the club competitive environment in social/family settings; BMX and mountain biking; walking for recreation; dog socialisation and exercise; skateboarding and in-line skating; horse riding trails; playgrounds and recreational fishing
14/10/08 Update: 23 emails received. About 6-7 days to go. Emails are fine, they are impressed with the quality of the support. They said late comments will also help.
 
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Josh Seksy

Likes Bikes and Dirt
whether or not you can change this or not,
maybe change older people to older citizens?
sounds great
 

nucleon hawke

Likes Dirt
Hey mate.
Thanks for getting this up so quickly. I was one of the blokes down at the trails this arvo.

Still reading but its pretty interesting.
 

Nmag

Likes Dirt
How ya going :)

That is some nice workmanship you have on that line. Don't think I'll ever get to the stage where I can ride that without hurting the tops of them.

If ya had an easy b line running right along next to it (with just 2 little jumps) I'd give that a go. If ya want some labour for a b line, let me know. I'm just on the other side of the stink pipe (up the fire trail from were we met today) and have access to group of mates who could help (with notice) with a B line dig.
 

nucleon hawke

Likes Dirt
Yea thanks, today we were just fixing everything up from where some kids have come and kicked in all the lips.

But for sure come down and we can get a b line goin. some of the bmx boys werent really too keen on jsut having the big main line either so a B line sounds the goods.
 

Nmag

Likes Dirt
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scratchy

Farkin Activist
From section 3.5: (for those too lazy to open the pdf)

Mountain bike facilities
There are four main types of mountain bikes XC (cross country) trail, XC racing, All-Mountain, and Freeride bikes18. Disciplines of MTB include: downhill and XC racing, 4X, trials and orienteering. The sport generally uses single tracks and trails or constructed jump circuits/trails in natural areas or parks. 4X, one of the newest disciplines and where a larger proportion of the growth is, uses a constructed track, similar to a BMX racing track, running down a slope.
The sale of mountain bikes accounts for the majority of all bike sales, however there are a lack of formalised facilities, which has led to conflicts with other park users and land managers.
There are numerous sites with established mountain bike use in the Berowa Regional Park, and other bushland sites managed by Council. In the local area, trails have been formed in bushland reserves causing damage to sensitive flora and posing potential risks to other park users on narrow tracks. There is one known mountain bike trails facility in the Shire provided on private land. The Manly Warringah MTB club have a track at Arcadia (Peebles Rd Arcadia).19 It is not accessible to the public.
A number of other local councils and land management agencies in Queensland, South Australia, and Victoria have developed public mountain bike parks. There is a 4X track in Homebush that is also used by BMX riders.
18Cross-country (XC) trails bikes are generally an all-purpose mountain bike providing more control but generally less speed. Cross-country (XC) racing bikes: mostly used by those who are focusing on fitness and endurance, where speed is a key objective –and there is less focus on control as required in steep descents.
All-mountain bikes (downhill) generally have bigger tires, advanced suspension and brakes and are suited to downhill and steep terrain.
Freeride bikes are designed to ride the most extreme types of terrain; steep chutes, large rocks and roots, big jumps and drop-offs-and any other terrain.
19 See photos and plan (www.mwmtb.com/xc location.htm). There is also a MTB club that meets at Arcadia.
Demand for mountain bikes
There are few statistics available concerning the demand for mountain bikes or the demographic profile of riders. However, anecdotal evidence suggests there is significant growth in the activity as a competitive sport, and as a non-competitive activity, especially by older adults.
Mountain Bike Australia membership has increased by almost 400% over the last 5 years. Only 5 – 10% of mountain bike owners actually belong to an organised group or club.20
NSW has the largest proportion of Mountain Bike Australia memberships with over 1,500 members from NSW.
Mountain biking has traditionally been undertaken predominantly by males21 however there has been an increase in female participation in cycling over the last five years22 that is likely to correspond to increasing demand in mountain biking for women.
With the advancements in technology and rider skill there is an increased demand for more challenging trails to test rider skill and deter construction of trails in inappropriate locations.
The provision of mountain bike activities in the Hornsby Shire warrants some further investigation.

Various studies such as Assessing Recreation Demand and Opportunities Northern Sydney Region" study Feb 2004 by Parkland Environmental Planners for Department of Infrastructure, Planning and Natural Resources, and the DIPNR regional trails findings 2005 by HASSELL have identified demand for off-road cycling opportunities in the Northern Sydney Region.
20 International Mountain Bike Association Website.
21 90% of riders are male (Goeft & Alder 2000)
22 ERASS

Key issues
The key issues associated with mountain bikes in the Shire are similar to BMX issues:
The significant demand for Mountain bike trails in the Shire
The absence of a formally designated public facilities
The construction of trails in inappropriate sites
The need to assess existing sites and designate the nature of management- or remove
The need to establish a process to liaise with other land managers (eg NPWS) clubs and user groups about facilities and ongoing demand
The need to establish agreed management process for designated sites

There is established mountain bike use in natural areas in the Shire including on crown and other public land, however mountain bikes are not a permissible use of National or Regional Parks managed by NPWS except on a fire trail or management track.
NPWS currently have a major enforcement issue in relation to MTB in reserved crown land.
There are opportunities to embrace and manage mountain bike use in selective areas as has been done in Tasmania and Victoria.
Key Issues (cont’d)
There is a need to have a consistent approach by the Shire and other land managers to cross country MTB trails (especially DECC for Berowra Valley Regional Park and to a lesser extent Department of Lands). It would be desirable for Council to pursue this further with all agencies.
There are a number of significant risks associated with providing high-level MTB facilities, unless there is a high degree of management of trails, enforcement of the wearing of protective clothing and control over who rides what facilities. Most downhill trails and freeride jumps or all-mountain bike trails will not be able to be facilitated by Council in the urban environment unless in conjunction with a club and other relevant land owners or managers.

Policy directions: Mountain bike facilities
Facilitate MTB activities on a similar basis to BMX
No new facilities to be built without prior consideration of through-life asset management costs and the financial viability implications
Give priority to providing foundation level skills development, not elite level facilities or racing
Give priority for MTB facilities to:
o Negotiating consistent approach to provision of cross country trails with NPWS DECC and DOL
o addressing the management of existing trails in bushland, (eg Old Mans Valley);
o managing select single track MTB sites or jumps areas on suitable flat areas for MTBs (rather than down hill trails)
o developing new sites in appropriate urban locations such as Hayes Park, Galston
Work closely with local clubs and seek funds from Sport and Recreation or other sources to plan, design and manage one site eg Old Mans Valley.
Where a jump areas or trail is provided; ensure beginner and intermediate runs are provided to ensure there are graded challenges for riders. This will encourage skill development, and enable riders to ride a level of facility suitable to their level of proficiency.
Council should not provide for downhill MTB disciplines or provide sites suitable for competition unless a club manages the site and any competition.
Address issues identified with user constructed tracks as identified under BMX facilities (in the previous chapter)
See Schedule 6 for a process to address unauthorised locations.
See Schedule 7 for MTB site selection criteria
See Schedule 9 for specific actions regarding existing sites.
See Volume 2, Skate and BMX Management Policy and Plan


But of interest in Schedule 6

On the topic of North Shore construction:
"Elevated timber structures that are easily accessible to pedestrians or riders, or that may not be sound"

Risk Level 1

1. Erect a temporary sign with words to the effect: WARNING this is not a Council facility. Users must accept sole responsibility for injury or death incurred because of use
2. Address users (or if the facility is unattended) leave a note addressing users. Congratulate them on their work, indicate that a council officer has inspected the facility and report on the findings of Step 1-3
3. Recommend the users contact the relevant council officer urgently to discuss options of accommodating this sport (elsewhere if the site is inappropriate) or in a more acceptable manor)
4. Demolish structures after seven days unless they are in an appropriate location and they can be made safe.
5. Distribute media release explaining the issue to the public - not necessarily identifying the location. If close to houses letter box adjacent residents ie within 400m
6. Meet with users to discuss options for use or development of similar facilities in a more suitable location, making the facility safe, and future management etc
Rationale: Considerable effort and expertise is required to construct these facilities. They provide considerable value to proficient riders. Riders should given the opportunity to discuss the issue with council and for council to explain issues associated with risk, environmental damage and possible appropriate site

Sounds like you boys need to get talking with your council!
 

scratchy

Farkin Activist
From section 3.5: (for those too lazy to open the pdf)

Mountain bike facilities
There are four main types of mountain bikes XC (cross country) trail, XC racing, All-Mountain, and Freeride bikes18. Disciplines of MTB include: downhill and XC racing, 4X, trials and orienteering. The sport generally uses single tracks and trails or constructed jump circuits/trails in natural areas or parks. 4X, one of the newest disciplines and where a larger proportion of the growth is, uses a constructed track, similar to a BMX racing track, running down a slope.
The sale of mountain bikes accounts for the majority of all bike sales, however there are a lack of formalised facilities, which has led to conflicts with other park users and land managers.
There are numerous sites with established mountain bike use in the Berowa Regional Park, and other bushland sites managed by Council. In the local area, trails have been formed in bushland reserves causing damage to sensitive flora and posing potential risks to other park users on narrow tracks. There is one known mountain bike trails facility in the Shire provided on private land. The Manly Warringah MTB club have a track at Arcadia (Peebles Rd Arcadia).19 It is not accessible to the public.
A number of other local councils and land management agencies in Queensland, South Australia, and Victoria have developed public mountain bike parks. There is a 4X track in Homebush that is also used by BMX riders.
18Cross-country (XC) trails bikes are generally an all-purpose mountain bike providing more control but generally less speed. Cross-country (XC) racing bikes: mostly used by those who are focusing on fitness and endurance, where speed is a key objective –and there is less focus on control as required in steep descents.
All-mountain bikes (downhill) generally have bigger tires, advanced suspension and brakes and are suited to downhill and steep terrain.
Freeride bikes are designed to ride the most extreme types of terrain; steep chutes, large rocks and roots, big jumps and drop-offs-and any other terrain.
19 See photos and plan (www.mwmtb.com/xc location.htm). There is also a MTB club that meets at Arcadia.
Demand for mountain bikes
There are few statistics available concerning the demand for mountain bikes or the demographic profile of riders. However, anecdotal evidence suggests there is significant growth in the activity as a competitive sport, and as a non-competitive activity, especially by older adults.
Mountain Bike Australia membership has increased by almost 400% over the last 5 years. Only 5 – 10% of mountain bike owners actually belong to an organised group or club.20
NSW has the largest proportion of Mountain Bike Australia memberships with over 1,500 members from NSW.
Mountain biking has traditionally been undertaken predominantly by males21 however there has been an increase in female participation in cycling over the last five years22 that is likely to correspond to increasing demand in mountain biking for women.
With the advancements in technology and rider skill there is an increased demand for more challenging trails to test rider skill and deter construction of trails in inappropriate locations.
The provision of mountain bike activities in the Hornsby Shire warrants some further investigation.

Various studies such as Assessing Recreation Demand and Opportunities Northern Sydney Region" study Feb 2004 by Parkland Environmental Planners for Department of Infrastructure, Planning and Natural Resources, and the DIPNR regional trails findings 2005 by HASSELL have identified demand for off-road cycling opportunities in the Northern Sydney Region.
20 International Mountain Bike Association Website.
21 90% of riders are male (Goeft & Alder 2000)
22 ERASS

Key issues
The key issues associated with mountain bikes in the Shire are similar to BMX issues:
The significant demand for Mountain bike trails in the Shire
The absence of a formally designated public facilities
The construction of trails in inappropriate sites
The need to assess existing sites and designate the nature of management- or remove
The need to establish a process to liaise with other land managers (eg NPWS) clubs and user groups about facilities and ongoing demand
The need to establish agreed management process for designated sites

There is established mountain bike use in natural areas in the Shire including on crown and other public land, however mountain bikes are not a permissible use of National or Regional Parks managed by NPWS except on a fire trail or management track.
NPWS currently have a major enforcement issue in relation to MTB in reserved crown land.
There are opportunities to embrace and manage mountain bike use in selective areas as has been done in Tasmania and Victoria.
Key Issues (cont’d)
There is a need to have a consistent approach by the Shire and other land managers to cross country MTB trails (especially DECC for Berowra Valley Regional Park and to a lesser extent Department of Lands). It would be desirable for Council to pursue this further with all agencies.
There are a number of significant risks associated with providing high-level MTB facilities, unless there is a high degree of management of trails, enforcement of the wearing of protective clothing and control over who rides what facilities. Most downhill trails and freeride jumps or all-mountain bike trails will not be able to be facilitated by Council in the urban environment unless in conjunction with a club and other relevant land owners or managers.

Policy directions: Mountain bike facilities
Facilitate MTB activities on a similar basis to BMX
No new facilities to be built without prior consideration of through-life asset management costs and the financial viability implications
Give priority to providing foundation level skills development, not elite level facilities or racing
Give priority for MTB facilities to:
o Negotiating consistent approach to provision of cross country trails with NPWS DECC and DOL
o addressing the management of existing trails in bushland, (eg Old Mans Valley);
o managing select single track MTB sites or jumps areas on suitable flat areas for MTBs (rather than down hill trails)
o developing new sites in appropriate urban locations such as Hayes Park, Galston
Work closely with local clubs and seek funds from Sport and Recreation or other sources to plan, design and manage one site eg Old Mans Valley.
Where a jump areas or trail is provided; ensure beginner and intermediate runs are provided to ensure there are graded challenges for riders. This will encourage skill development, and enable riders to ride a level of facility suitable to their level of proficiency.
Council should not provide for downhill MTB disciplines or provide sites suitable for competition unless a club manages the site and any competition.
Address issues identified with user constructed tracks as identified under BMX facilities (in the previous chapter)
See Schedule 6 for a process to address unauthorised locations.
See Schedule 7 for MTB site selection criteria
See Schedule 9 for specific actions regarding existing sites.
See Volume 2, Skate and BMX Management Policy and Plan


But of interest in Schedule 6

On the topic of North Shore construction:
"Elevated timber structures that are easily accessible to pedestrians or riders, or that may not be sound"

Risk Level 1

1. Erect a temporary sign with words to the effect: WARNING this is not a Council facility. Users must accept sole responsibility for injury or death incurred because of use
2. Address users (or if the facility is unattended) leave a note addressing users. Congratulate them on their work, indicate that a council officer has inspected the facility and report on the findings of Step 1-3
3. Recommend the users contact the relevant council officer urgently to discuss options of accommodating this sport (elsewhere if the site is inappropriate) or in a more acceptable manor)
4. Demolish structures after seven days unless they are in an appropriate location and they can be made safe.
5. Distribute media release explaining the issue to the public - not necessarily identifying the location. If close to houses letter box adjacent residents ie within 400m
6. Meet with users to discuss options for use or development of similar facilities in a more suitable location, making the facility safe, and future management etc
Rationale: Considerable effort and expertise is required to construct these facilities. They provide considerable value to proficient riders. Riders should given the opportunity to discuss the issue with council and for council to explain issues associated with risk, environmental damage and possible appropriate site

Sounds like you boys need to get talking with your council!
 

thecat

NSWMTB, Central Tableland MBC
I haven't had a chance to have a good look over this but here are some comments on the sections Scratchy has linked to


From section 3.5: (for those too lazy to open the pdf)

Mountain bike facilities
There are four main types of mountain bikes XC (cross country) trail, XC racing, All-Mountain, and Freeride bikes18. Disciplines of MTB include: downhill and XC racing, 4X, trials and orienteering.
IMBA supplies the following definitions which are good to push

The International Mountain Bike Association split riders into the following groups:

Beginner Cross Country: These riders prefer dirt roads, dedicated paths and wide smooth trails.
Avid Cross Country (XC): These are more experienced cyclists and race orientated riders who are comfortable in back country, self sufficient and looking for trail between 10 and 100 km in length that offer solitude, nature, exercise and a challenge.
All Mountain (AM): A catch all category including advanced riders and those new to the sport, these riders seek a variety of trails leaning more toward technically challenging routes.
Down Hill (DH): Usually highly advanced riders who seek highly technical descending routes. These riders have highly specialised equipment and prefer trails with closed access to roads for a vehicle shuttle back to the top.
Freeride (FR): Free Riding is all about technical challenges and riding style. These riders look for challenging obstacles both natural, rocks, drops… and man made, ladders, elevated platforms… Skill parks offering challenging obstacles that progress in difficulty have become one of the more popular sections on many mountain bike parks.
Dirt Jumpers (DJs) Dirt Jumpers seek dedicated jumping trails consisting of a series of linked jumps runs.

A number of other local councils and land management agencies in Queensland, South Australia, and Victoria have developed public mountain bike parks.
Mountain bike sites constructed around Australia with the control, approval and assistance of local authorities in
recent years include the following:

• Townsville, Queensland
• Glenorchy Mountain Bike Park- Hobart, Tasmania.
• Adelaide City Dirt jumps – Adelaide Parklands, South Australia.
• Darlington Dirt Jumps – Mundaring Shire, Western Australia.
• Anglesea Bike Park- Anglesea, Victoria.
• “The Castle” – Windsor Siding, Melbourne, Victoria.
• Albany Creek Dirt Jumps – North Brisbane, Queensland.
• Ferny Grove Dirt Jumps – North West Brisbane, Queensland.
• Lilydale Dirt Jump Park – Launceston, Tasmania.
• Port Kennedy, Singleton and Warnbro Dirt Jumps - Rockingham Western Australia.
• Tahmoor Dirt Jumps – Tahmoor, New South Wales.
• “Zone Room” Dirt Jumps – Margaret River, Western Australia.
• Depot Road Jumps-Mortdale, Sydney.
• San Remo Extreme park_ Wyong
• Monster Mtn X track- Sydney Olympic park


Demand for mountain bikes
There are few statistics available concerning the demand for mountain bikes or the demographic profile of riders. However, anecdotal evidence suggests there is significant growth in the activity as a competitive sport, and as a non-competitive activity, especially by older adults.
Mountain Bike Australia membership has increased by almost 400% over the last 5 years. Only 5 – 10% of mountain bike owners actually belong to an organised group or club.20
NSW has the largest proportion of Mountain Bike Australia memberships with over 1,500 members from NSW.


The Cycling Promotion Fund states, "... a record 1.47 million bicycles
sold in 2007... Cycling has become the 4th most popular physical
activity with more than 1.6 million Australian adults cycling in 2006,
an increase of 17% from 2001." Further more, Retail Cycle Traders
Australia statistics show that 1998-2005 70% of all bike
sales were mountain bikes.


It may also be worth while replying with some tourism ideas

15 Tips from IMBA on Developing Mountain Biking Tourism
1. Create excellent trail maps - maps that clearly show the best trails for mountain biking. Elevation profile maps and concise ride descriptions are also helpful, as are estimates of ride difficulty, descriptions of ride features, and seasonal (weather) and safety considerations. Maps can include pictures of trailheads and parking information. Map revenues can help fund trail and bicycling improvements.
2. Identify and promote trails for cyclists of all abilities: Lightly travelled paved roads from towns and cities to trailheads; dirt roads and wide dirt paths that are easy to ride; twisting forest paths and narrow, challenging singletrack; plus downhill runs. Being able to provide all of these experiences, in abundance, will help establish your area as a first-rate mountain biking destination. Advertise a whole system of trails, not just one.
3. Recommended rides should pass by sites with historical interest and beautiful views.
4. Consider offering hotel-to-hotel or hut-to-hut riding possibilities. Hut-to-hut rides have become popular in Colorado and elsewhere. Inn-to-inn (or hotel to hotel) rides are especially appealing to mountain bikers because they allow cyclists to ride light and free.
5. Commission photographers to take photos of your riding area, which can be sent as slides or digital files to magazines and newspapers. These photos will serve as a tremendous magnet. Moab, Utah; Fruita, Colorado; and Slatyfork, West Virginia have built stellar images as a mountain bike destinations using just a few rolls of excellent mountain bike photos. These photos should also be used in widely distributed mountain bike tourism brochures and booklets.
6. Offer FREE media mountain bike trips when you're ready - not only to cycling magazine editors but to general magazine editors and even daily newspaper writers.
7. Design, produce and post accurate trail signs to supplement the trail signs and markers that are already in place. No one likes sign pollution, but simple attractive markers that direct mountain bikers will be well received. This effort needs to be coordinated with other trail groups.
8. Develop durable, sustainable trails
9. Offer other recreational activities and vacation elements that appeal to mountain bikers. Hiking, climbing, surfing and other tourism activities make an area attractive to visitors. Mountain bikers love to eat - and need to eat following a long day in the saddle - so abundant restaurant options are always appreciated. Mountain bikers will appreciate lists of restaurants that offer good food in a comfortable, casual atmosphere.
10. Develop package deals that appeal to mountain bikers by combining lodging, meals and bicycle shop support.
11. Build community support for bicycle tourism by emphasizing the economic benefits. Cyclists spend money on gas, food, lodging, souvenirs, etc. "If your community is not involved, you're sunk. Visitors' first stop is often the gas station, grocery store or welcome centre. If the person there is not inviting to mountain biking, the next bicycling place may be just a short drive further." -- Troy Rarick, Fruita, CO
12. Build the sport by facilitating the presence of quality retail bicycle shops. Shops can have a guest host who's entire job is to talk about where to ride, camp, be responsible, etc.
13. Singletrack is essential.
14. Differentiate bicycling from motorcycling. Some people don't understand the difference.
15. Quantify everything - numbers before trails, numbers after trails, etc.
 

Nmag

Likes Dirt
We will use that info thanks Mr F.

I spoke to one of the main guys in the council regarding the plan (after an "Open Forum") and he said two things to me basically:
- Old Mans Valley looks like the most appropriate spot (this is the park between the pool and the quarry). I was happy to hear this as it is close to civilisation, train station, and the busy part of Hornsby.
- There is no bucket of money for it. I explained that people will be willing to volunteer time to build and maintain 'it'.

I did talk with him about the significant tourism opportunities relating it, especially as it is quite close to the train station if you bring your bike on the train.

He explained that letters are worth much more than partitions. He said while hard copy ones are good, emails suffice, but he emphasised that letters work better.

They still have not officially put it up for comment. The attached is a 'preview' version before it goes out for official comment. Patience I guess.
 

whitey89

Likes Bikes and Dirt
We will use that info thanks Mr F.

I spoke to one of the main guys in the council regarding the plan (after an "Open Forum") and he said two things to me basically:
- Old Mans Valley looks like the most appropriate spot (this is the park between the pool and the quarry). I was happy to hear this as it is close to civilisation, train station, and the busy part of Hornsby.
- There is no bucket of money for it. I explained that people will be willing to volunteer time to build and maintain 'it'.

I did talk with him about the significant tourism opportunities relating it, especially as it is quite close to the train station if you bring your bike on the train.

He explained that letters are worth much more than partitions. He said while hard copy ones are good, emails suffice, but he emphasised that letters work better.

They still have not officially put it up for comment. The attached is a 'preview' version before it goes out for official comment. Patience I guess.
So how can we help?
Will there be a general council meeting where we can speak/show our support?
 

Nmag

Likes Dirt
This could be for you whitey:

"C Ward Open Forum

Residents of Hornsby Shire’s C Ward are invited to attend an Open Forum at 6.30pm on Wednesday 23 July at Epping Creative Centre, 26 Stanley Street, Epping.

The aim of the Open Forum is to make council more accessible to residents who live away from the centre of Hornsby where the Council Chambers are located. By attending a meeting in their region, residents have the opportunity to raise issues with councillors and council staff.

C Ward encompasses the following suburbs: Beecroft, Carlingford, Cheltenham, Cherrybrook*, Eastwood, Epping, Normanhurst*, North Epping, Pennant Hills*, Thornleigh* and West Pennant Hills.

If you are interested in attending the meeting and/or have any issues that you would like included on the agenda, please call Phone number (02)9847 6566 by Friday 18 July."

http://www.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/

Maybe email one of your Ward C councilors and ask them when they are going to put the Draft plan up for comment.

"WARD C

Beecroft, Carlingford, Cheltenham, Cherrybrook*, Eastwood, Epping, Normanhurst*, North Epping, Pennant Hills*, Thornleigh*, West Pennant Hills

Ward C Councillors
Councillor FindlayFelicity Findlay
Address c/- Hornsby Shire Council
PO Box 37, Hornsby NSW 1630
Phone number (02) 9869 7911
Fax number (02) 9869 7922
Cellphone 0400 870 131
E-Mail felicity_findlay@yahoo.com

SO-Councillor Andrew IsaacAndrew Isaac
Address c/- Hornsby Shire Council
PO Box 37, Hornsby NSW 1630
Cellphone 0434 210 511
E-Mail andrew@andrewisaac.net


SO-Councillor R Browne 2007Robert Browne
Address PO Box 460
Pennant Hills NSW 1715
Cellphone 0434 568 828
Fax number (02) 9847 6909
E-Mail rbrowne@hornsby.nsw.gov.au"

I went to one of these open forums and it was pretty good. Go to one and ask them about the Draft plan.
 

whitey89

Likes Bikes and Dirt
Ill send an email to Findley. She lives in Beecroft and may possibly be able to get something going.
Looks like Ive missed the cutoff for applying for the meeting adgenda but ill see what I can do.

Has anyone else arranged to speak at this meeting?
 
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Nmag

Likes Dirt
I have been asked to provide some kind of "impression and recommendations for riders to submit". We all have different MTB interests (DH/FR/XC/DJ/Trials etc), so It's best to suit your view to your view.

I think hand writing a letter is best. Take a copy/photo/scan before you send it in. A counselor at an open forum told me letters work better than partitions and that Old Man's valley could make a decent option.

[DATE]

Dana Spence
Parks Asset Coordinator
Parks & Landscape
Hornsby Shire Council
296 Pacific Highway, Hornsby NSW Australia 2077
ph: (02) 9847 6896 fax: (02) 9847 6929 Mobile: 0438 103 162
MailTo: dspence@hornsby.nsw.gov.au

Dear Dana

RE: Unstructured Recreation Strategy for Comment

I am very impressed council has an Unstructured Recreation Strategy document that captures mountain biking. [Add generic positives of mountain biking and stats etc provided by Flynny etc]. [Add the positives mountain biking makes to yourself]. [Make the point that you or your parents etc own property (or rent in Hornsby Council area and how long you have lived here for maybe where you went to School etc - These council people think 'community'].

I'm in full support of the planning, assessing, building and maintaining sustainable single track in an appropriate location that would be suitable for 'cross country' (XC) style mountain biking. I am certain that the shire has the capacity in volunteers to steer such an adventure and create a facility that would generate an increase in tourism and good exposure for the area.

Currently I travel to Manly Dam or Ourimbah State Forest to ride. Considering neither of these is close to a train station they still attract significant numbers of people. The provision of a purpose built cross country trail in Old Man's valley (between the TAFE and the Quarry) appears to meet all criteria suggested in the Strategy document.

I have liaised with the Secretary of TORC at Turramurra Cyclery (the closest Mountain Bike Incorporated club I can find to the Shire) and he is positive that a mutually beneficial outcome for riders, council and other trail users can be achieved. The Strategy refers (in some places) to "The club". I approached Simon to ask him if TORC is the club, his response is that he was not aware of the Strategy document however would be most happy to put the offer to the TORC committee.

As a [insert job title] I have the following relevant skills that I am willing to volunteer. Myself and local firends also prepared to assist in the planning, assessing, building, and maintaining of a sustainable XC circuit that will be a low maintenance community asset built and maintained by volunteers (in coordination with Hornsby Council's representatives).

My appreciation for the importance of sustainability in design is demonstrated via my attendance of Bushcare training and being involved in Council bush orientated activities. In the short time we have lived in [Suburb] I have met and spent quite a bit of time in the local bush with [list council employees I MTB ride with etc and went on Bushcare site tours with].

Please feel free to contact me anytime on 555 555555 to discuss. I am more than willing to participate in a consultation committee regarding Mountain Biking (MTB) in the Hornsby Shire and provide my experience in [applicable profession] to the team.

Yours Sincerely

[Insert my name, address, phone number etc]

My suggestion for many of you younger dudes on this forum is to actually read the document ( http://www.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/uploads/documents/UnstructuredRecreationStrategy.pdf )particularly the table used to assess jumps and structures. You will note that the flavour of the document tends to indicate a support for XC and BMX, where as it leans to the idea that DH and FR requires a club to insure it. I'm pushing the XC angle as I think it is totally achievable. I suggest you push what you want.. to HSC.. not here.
 
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scratchy

Farkin Activist
I think hand writing a letter is best. Take a copy/photo/scan before you send it in. A counselor at an open forum told me letters work better than partitions and that Old Man's valley could make a decent option.
Really? I would disagree for several reasons.

From my experience if you have 100 riders, and the council asks for feedback.

If you provide a format like you've done below. Including an email address for the lazy punters to copy and past you'll get 60 reply.

If you don't do any work and tell everyone they should read it and draft their own reply you'll get 20 replys.

If you want people to hand write it, you'll be lucky to get 5.

The councilors will not be receiving your letters as you aren't addressing them to the councilors, they will instead go to some council worker who will collate the results and present them to council in a document. Whether the you fax, phoned or SMS your feedback won't matter two shits because the councilors will not be able to tell the medium you used.

The councilor at the open forum mentioned that letters worked the best, but that is ONLY when you are lobbying a councilor to support your view. I've found ringing them up and chatting and then following that up and meeting them before/after a council meeting to be the best for.

Don't sabotage the effort here. A two line email saying you support the establishment of legal Mountain Bike and BMX trails is a lot more effective than sending nothing in at all.

Get to it everyone!
 

whitey89

Likes Bikes and Dirt
Im going to push the DH scene, i know that its a long shot but i think its really in demand. Im sick of riding down those fire trails and almost knocking people off their feet or riding the illegal trials in fear of getting caught.
 
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