Is this what the world has come to?

gravelclimber

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Mutiny as passengers refuse to fly until Asians are removed

Passengers refuse to allow holiday jet to take off until two Asian men are thrown off plane

The extraordinary scenes happened after some of the 150 passengers on a Malaga-Manchester flight overheard two men of Asian appearance apparently talking Arabic.

The trouble in Malaga flared last Wednesday as two British citizens in their 20s waited in the departure lounge to board the pre-dawn flight and were heard talking what passengers took to be Arabic. Worries spread after a female passenger said she had heard something that alarmed her.

Passengers noticed that, despite the heat, the pair were wearing leather jackets and thick jumpers and were regularly checking their watches.

Initially, six passengers refused to board the flight. On board the aircraft, word reached one family. To the astonishment of cabin crew, they stood up and walked off, followed quickly by others.

The Monarch pilot - a highly experienced captain - accompanied by armed Civil Guard police and airport security staff, approached the two men and took their passports.

Half an hour later, police returned and escorted the two Asian passengers off the jet.
This is absolute bullshit. How long before the same thing happens here?

They should have just done the security checks and left all the passengers behind.
 

Dozer

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Hmmmm, this was always going to happen.
I agree with some of the passengers not wanting to be near anyone who looked suss. I'd be happy to find out later that after the people had been removed that they were carrying something with intent to harm, you'd know that the general public wasn't being over the top.
If they weren't doing anything wrong then you could also agree with the people on the flight who thought they looked like they were up to no good.
I dare say there is going to be alot of this type of thing happen whenever someone gets on a plane in the middle of summer with a big thick winter coat on.
Racial abuse maybe? Or people misjudging purely because of the way the alleged offenders were dressed?
 
oh it's just the media making something out of nothing, terrorism pfffffft

i think the general public is WAY too scared/concerned/etc than it needs to be,

as Dan Brown said, the media is the right arm of anarchy...


yeah, run the security check & if people refused to get on the plane, their problem, their fault for being such idiots...
 

danv

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oh it's just the media making something out of nothing, terrorism pfffffft

i think the general public is WAY too scared/concerned/etc than it needs to be,

as Dan Brown said, the media is the right arm of anarchy...


yeah, run the security check & if people refused to get on the plane, their problem, their fault for being such idiots...
I don't think in this instance the media are making something out of nothing, if what they reported is true then it's just a factual account of PEOPLE making something out of nothing. I agree the public is way too scared. And the media play a big part in that. I also agree they should have run a security check and then just the guys on the plane no matter what other people said. Although that could pose a secondary issue of causing a disturbance or conflict during the flight because the people would still feel threatened and might initiate something against the (omgwtf) asians. This would be the fault of the people on the plane, not the asians, and so they should be the ones refused boarding if they looked like they were gonna cause a disturbance.
 
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This is absolute bullshit. How long before the same thing happens here?

They should have just done the security checks and left all the passengers behind.
I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner.

Shortly after 11/9 (can't recall anything happening on the 9th of November) I saw a bunch of construction workers (about 7) hurling bottles etc at a Muslim Cleric in Surry Hills. That seems to be the attitude of the general public, because I didn't get much sympathy from the lunchtime crowd when I told them to pull their heads in.

And why am I not surprised that the incident occurred on a Manchester bound flight?
 

Drew.

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Ok, i don't want to sound like a complete prick here, but if i where in that position i would be pritty worried to.

We have all heard the bad press about Arabs havn't we? We get the informaton shoved into our heads that they're ones orginising most/all of this terrorism and whatnot, and after what has happened in the past 6 odd years and the recent scare with those 23 or something planes it's definantly enough to cause suspision towards someone that does appear to be, well, 'out of the ordinary'.

By no means am i saying that we should suspect all Arabs as terrorists, but you can't blame anyone for taking precautions about who is boarding flights, i mean, they could have stopped a potential terrorist attack...?

Just my view, by no means is it correct, if you feel the need to burn me for it, try to turn the incineration down a notch....;)
 

danv

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Ok, i don't want to sound like a complete prick here, but if i where in that position i would be pritty worried to.

We have all heard the bad press about Arabs havn't we? We get the informaton shoved into our heads that they're ones orginising most/all of this terrorism and whatnot, and after what has happened in the past 6 odd years and the recent scare with those 23 or something planes it's definantly enough to cause suspision towards someone that does appear to be, well, 'out of the ordinary'.

By no means am i saying that we should suspect all Arabs as terrorists, but you can't blame anyone for taking precautions about who is boarding flights, i mean, they could have stopped a potential terrorist attack...?

Just my view, by no means is it correct, if you feel the need to burn me for it, try to turn the incineration down a notch....;)
What're you gonna do? Ban 1/5th of the world from flying? Sounds like you need a slight reality check, just because people are different from you, doesn't mean they're "out of the ordinary". (trust me that was a blue flame)

edit- and if you start judging people by things like their appearance, you can include a hell of a lot more people than the world's 1.4 billion muslims. It said the plane was from Malaga, which is in Spain. Alot of spanish people look 'omgterraryst!'. Plus they get cold alot easier than people from manchester.
 
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gravelclimber

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Ok, i don't want to sound like a complete prick here, but if i where in that position i would be pritty worried to.

We have all heard the bad press about Arabs havn't we? We get the informaton shoved into our heads that they're ones orginising most/all of this terrorism and whatnot, and after what has happened in the past 6 odd years and the recent scare with those 23 or something planes it's definantly enough to cause suspision towards someone that does appear to be, well, 'out of the ordinary'.

By no means am i saying that we should suspect all Arabs as terrorists, but you can't blame anyone for taking precautions about who is boarding flights, i mean, they could have stopped a potential terrorist attack...?

Just my view, by no means is it correct, if you feel the need to burn me for it, try to turn the incineration down a notch....
There's nothing wrong with keeping an eye on other passengers it they are acting out of the ordinary. But checking your watch and wearing warm clothes? I wear warm clothes on planes 'cause they're usually too cold and I certainly get impatient while waiting and look at the time. What it really came down was that they weren't white and they spoke another language. When people were getting all shitty the airline should have just said: "They've been checked. They cleared security. They're flying. If you don't want to fly with them then don't fly".
 

Drew.

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What're you gonna do? Ban 1/5th of the world from flying? Sounds like you need a slight reality check, just because people are different from you, doesn't mean they're "out of the ordinary". (trust me that was a blue flame)
No, i never said i wanted to take action against Arabs flying aboard planes, there's nothing i can do about it, we're just going to have to live with these fears, and to these people obviously they where out of the ordinary, they wouldn't have acted otherwise, would they?!; Just think about the situation these passengers might have been in, i'd say a fair few of them would be boarding the plane with a bit of fear about flying due to the recent terrorist scares, then to have someone who to these people, looks like the steriotype 'terrorist' they're shown on the TV would further increase this fear, and when it comes down to what you're head tells you could be a threat, you will re-act to it right? Now, this may not apply to you, but it obviously did to these people.

Bottom line is, the passengers felt uncomfortable with these people, and even though these 'suspisious' Arabic people probably hadn't done anything wrong and would have been checked before they boarded their flight, explosives can be hidden as so many things these days, take the attempted plane bombings not so long ago for example, the explosives just looked like milk? I mean, there's a very slim chance they'll get pulled up for that, and i'm this would cross some peoples minds, just to bring further suspision...

As your thread title states. 'Is this what the world has come to?', Well i'm afraid, yes it has...If the groups of these people choose to use 'Terrorism' to bring appon terror, then they're affecting their entire race, as a percentage of people will be frightened by this, leading to racial discrimination......

Please, don't get me wrong, this is not what i would do in this situation, i know their reaction might have been a bit harsh, but you have to consider their position, and the modern world.
 
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Weasel

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Hehe this is just an example of terrorisim working like it should...
You commit one major action against a group of people and then let the press and peoples fears fuel the fire untill its out of control...

And then the government steps in and bends peoples fears to suit their own agendas...
 

Oliver.

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Ok, i don't want to sound like a complete prick here, but if i where in that position i would be pritty worried to.
Yeah actually, I agree with that. I am also surprised it hasn't happened sooner. If it was a canadian that was speaking fast arabic, wearing bulky clothing and checking their watches, (as stated in the article) I wonder if the outcome would have been the same?

The situation would have been serious enough to arouse suspicion, that one can be sure of. If more than one person did notice it, then the characters in question would undoubtedly have been behaving in some sort of suspicious behaviour.

I think its dumb to assume that they were kicked off for "being asian". Its just the way the newspapers put their spin on it.

article said:
"It also raised fears that more travellers will take the law into their own hands - effectively conducting their own 'passenger profiles'."
I bet the travellers would have a better idea of what they call "passenger profiles", than a newspaper report. When ones own mortality is at stake, people tend to not take chances.

Its simple, nowadays you just "can't say bomb on an airplane" acting suspiciously will deservedly land you in hot water.
 

robmundall

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I am going to swim against the tide here but,
I too would be a little suspicious and scared. Two men talking Arabic, wearing leather jackets and thick jumpers in warm weather and regularly checking there watches, That fits the terriost profile that the media and events have planted in peoples head's (including mine obviously). Especially with recent foiled terriost attack, people are going to be a bit more edgy.
 

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Dont worry about the arabs. You dont need to fly. Just buy yourself a row boat, its far cheaper than air fares, better scenery and you dont have to sit next to sum fat bastard farting on your leg all they. (that worrys me more than the bloke with a box cutter and 5.2kgs of tnt as hand luggage)
 

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Well i reckon that I would have done what the passengers did and gotten the hell off. I think it is better to be cautious (even if it does mean seeming racist) and saving my life (selfish as it may be) than not caring and ending up in the smashed fuselage of a Boeing.

Just my thoughts though.
 
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