last minute stuff for DH1 in tassie

W2ttsy

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hey guys,

here are some PM conversations ive been having with Bearl about the Tassie DH round...

since the information may be useful to more than him, i thought id post it up...

bearl said:
Hey, Just wondering wat your thoughts on the race track for next weekend are?? Is it really faster to do the b-line for the road gap? One of the post say that it's a world cup difficulty track, should be really interesting to ride if thats the case.

cheers,

bearl

hey bearl,

it depends on the weather. if it can dry out nicely enough, then it should be a nice dirt/dusty track (the way it was intended), however the rain that we are hoping will stay at bay could make the track quite muddy (so pack change of clothes and wet weather tyres). then the course will be way more challenging.

glen jacobs has rated it world cup quality, and personally i think thats a slight exageration. sure there are lots of technical sections (3 rock gardens, lots of off camber sections, some nice little drop ins (2 - 3 feet)), but all of the sections have b lines and in some cases its probably just faster to hit the A-line (rock gardens for instance)..

as for the road gap, its not just a straight point and shoot affair. you have to bunny hop right as you leave the jump to boost some extra air if you want to clear it properly. as i said, its not something you decide at the last minute. you have to get into the mindset, and then be committed well before you hit the last turn...

personally, ive hit the gap, and find that its faster and more stable to take the b or c line... the b line is a 2 foot step down that is next to the jump, and the c line is a little down ramp that is too the far left of the jump. personally the c line is fairly tricky as its exit doesnt really point to the next section, so if you do hit it, you have to swing hard left (which can be tricky at speed)....

if you are on a dually then none of these sections will be difficult at all, as it can all be soaked up by the suspension. hard tail riders are going to have to pick their lines alot more carefully tho... smoothness and cleaning of lines is more essential than speed in this track.

also, the bottom 3rd of the track, right after the fireroad sprint will be a speed catching affair. it is fairly fast, and less technical through this part. and the bottom section (about 100 meters up from the road gap) is very very very fast. there are no obsticals other than a few turns, the road gap, another drop and some small root sections (which you can just gap off natural rises in the track). it would be quite easy for you to hit around 70km/h through there. i was pulling 69km the last time i was on the track in that section. its all open and fairly obstical free. it would have to be the most enjoyable part of the track. a great way to make up time.

just hammer it hard and when you hit the "highway" (the big open section at the end) & just jam it into gear 8/9 and go for broke. the big "50 footer" is a table that is easy as pie to hit. nice take off, and a solid landing, which will shoot you into a berm, another smaller table, and then a sprint to the finish line.

the big world cup style sprint jump at the end is going to be the best part...

gap to finish y0! :cool:

bearl said:
Cheers man, thanks for the awesome reply, the track sounds really great, i guess people love to talk things up as much as they can to gain peoples interest, not saying that you didn't but putting a realistic spin on it helps heaps......I'll be on a red intense m1......like many others i guess, it'd be nice to catch up and say hi while im there if your round. Cheers again and bring on the weekend....

brad

hey brad...

your bike will help you out alot i reckon... the track is very rough in some sections, so i guess that a smooth suspension action will make a big difference. i can tell you that my mates v10 is way better on the track than another mates demo9, or my d8, simply because of the bikes design...

and yeh, theres been a lot of hype surrounding the track, both in terms of "omg check out the leet jumps" and "oh cant wait to race it yeh", which makes it hard to actually get an idea of whats really going on...

at the end of the day, smoothness and clean lines will get you down the track faster than someone who balls it thru all the section and holds on for dear life (ie: james maltman)..

inside info: its raining hard at the moment, which means there will be the high possibility of a very wet track, so i recommend packing the wet weather tyres and your GOGGLES!

ive ridden the track both dry (dusty) and muddy, and i would take dusty any day... muddy just introduces an unwanted problem. it then becomes a challenge to keep the bike on the straights, let alone when you get to the tech areas...

bearl said:
Yeah if its muddy then it really will make things interesting......I guess this time of year tho the weather is pretty up and down, lets just hope that it gets better and holds up for weekend. Whats a good wet weather tyre, i run minions pretty much all year round now.....they kinda pack up in the wet tho......anyhow.....

cheers,

brad
well hopefully the weather will improve. i think there are going to be a spate of small sunshowers, followed by sun, so we may get a decent track...

im running a set of specialised roller pros (sworks edition) and ive found them to be ok in the wet (ie wet grass, pavement) but suck a bit in thuck mud...

im not really sure which sort of tyre would be good. possibly a tire with a wide shallow tread, so that mud cant get all clogged in it...

hopefully these questions and answers will provide info for others with a similar question...

if not, feel free to PM me, or post here and i will try to answer the questions.

W2ttsy
 

fastrider gus

super huck
sweet, cheers for the info w2ttsy. hopefully its not too wet, i cant ride mud for shit... cant wait to check out the roadgap! sounds like a mad fun track..
see you there.
 

W2ttsy

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fastrider gus said:
sweet, cheers for the info w2ttsy. hopefully its not too wet, i cant ride mud for shit... cant wait to check out the roadgap! sounds like a mad fun track..
see you there.
the weather is being really funny here at the moment. one moment it is bucketing down, and the next it is sunshine happy days.

there are showers scheduled for today through to friday, but if we are lucky with the sun then the track should dry out. may not be a nice dusty track, but it wont be mud. it could be a little tacky, which would be optimal... i guess if it was super bad on the day then they would slightly adjust the track for safety reasons...

and the road gap is pretty awesome. for all the photographers coming, it will be the place to check out during practice and elite qualifiers...

W2ttsy
 

frenchie

Glenorchy MTB Park
w2ttsy, have you ever ridden a world cup track????
glen would probably be a better judge. worls cup tracks are so varied (and often not that good anyway) that its a pretty moot point.
Also no idea what you been doing with the road gap but its SO much faster to hit it, and it is very smooth into that corner, in fact the section couldnt be any smoother. Its a straight run too, don't know what you mean about going to the side off the gap?
all B and C lines have been adjusted in the rock gardens so they are far slower, and other chicken lines will be slowed up with bunting.
As for mud, it is only the last 3rd of the track that will be a bit muddy (still more greasy than muddy), the top 2 3rds arent affected too badly by rain at all. There wont be any track changes if it rains we will just finish on the last jump out of the trees instead of going to the bottom of the field.
Also today we've pulled heaps of MASSIVE boulders into the rockgardens (as some dickwit pulled everything out making it too easy), the rocky sections are now pretty full on, and much more tech and far slower. We've also added another couple of switchbacks, another rock garden to lengthen things up a bit, and a new start section with start ramp.
don't mean to totally flame you w2ttsy but seriously mate you can talk out your ass a bit at times;)
 

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v10rider said:
don't mean to totally flame you w2ttsy but seriously mate you can talk out your ass a bit at times;)
I've been waiting a long time for some one to say that
 

W2ttsy

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v10rider said:
w2ttsy, have you ever ridden a world cup track????
glen would probably be a better judge. worls cup tracks are so varied (and often not that good anyway) that its a pretty moot point.
Also no idea what you been doing with the road gap but its SO much faster to hit it, and it is very smooth into that corner, in fact the section couldnt be any smoother. Its a straight run too, don't know what you mean about going to the side off the gap?
all B and C lines have been adjusted in the rock gardens so they are far slower, and other chicken lines will be slowed up with bunting.
As for mud, it is only the last 3rd of the track that will be a bit muddy (still more greasy than muddy), the top 2 3rds arent affected too badly by rain at all. There wont be any track changes if it rains we will just finish on the last jump out of the trees instead of going to the bottom of the field.
Also today we've pulled heaps of MASSIVE boulders into the rockgardens (as some dickwit pulled everything out making it too easy), the rocky sections are now pretty full on, and much more tech and far slower. We've also added another couple of switchbacks, another rock garden to lengthen things up a bit, and a new start section with start ramp.
don't mean to totally flame you w2ttsy but seriously mate you can talk out your ass a bit at times;)
if youll reread what i wrote about glens statement, it is mearly an opinion. like many people here, i havent had the chance to ride a WC track, so im only using what ive seen in photos and footage as a comparison.

also, i didnt say anything about jumping to the side, just right up in the air. probably a bad wording on my part. actually jumping to the right will put you in the bushes, so not a good idea!. and after seeing ed and kaine hit it one after another, the extra jump that ed put in meant he finished 10 feet further down the landing than kaine did when he just hit it straight out.
and not all of us are into big hits. i reckon the b line on that jump is faster as i can just rush through that section and keep going with minimal disturbance on landing. not everyone here is a big hitter...

as for the rock gardens and extra track work thats been done, it seems to have been done after i was last at the track, so its new to me. my bad on that. i was just going on info from the last time i was there (saturday).

and yes, it is more slipery than muddy, just couldnt think of the word. and yes, i have noticed some of the rock garden rocks missing. not cool.

you may be right about me talking out my ass on some occasions, but hey, its my opinion on what i think of the track. thanks for clearing some of this up..

now bring on the racing...

W2ttsy
 

DeanE

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Dh1

yeh i ridden on the track, and it's really it's one of the best track i have been on. it's really hard on a hardtrail, but it should be a good to see some dh riders rip it up this weekend, i'll be there with my camera
 

frenchie

Glenorchy MTB Park
fair play w2ttsy, I just felt a few things needed clarifying.
Should make for great racing regardless of weather
 

W2ttsy

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v10rider said:
fair play w2ttsy, I just felt a few things needed clarifying.
Should make for great racing regardless of weather
im hoping for a for a dusty track, as that will be the most exciting, especially when the better riders get right up to heaps speed. should be a good weekend...

W2ttsy
 

Gravjunkie

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Can't wait!

OK W2ttsy and v10 (or M3) rider, you've both flexed ya muscles and given your descriptions of the track, I'm looking forward to coming up to you both and telling you how fucking awesome the track is as I'm positive it will be. From experience tho' a good event relies on the logistics, get that right and we'll be booking our tickets for next year as soon as we get back.

..........Hit the gap!............
 

frenchie

Glenorchy MTB Park
logistics have been handled by Glen Jacobs (any complaints see him;)
everything should run smoothly.
as for the course, regardless of anyone individual opinions its a hard track to race, and as far as I'm concerned thats pretty vital
 

W2ttsy

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JayJay said:
wow that was actually the worst joke i have ever heard and ohh and possibly the most imature............
ive been around here long enough to cut bad jokes once in a while. plus carl was late to the party and deserved an immature reply to his immature post.

and apparently v10rider (aka frenchy) and the crew running this gig have decided that the last section (the highway and 50 table) will no longer be included in the track as the weather has made it way to wet to ride on... bit of a pity really as its what i think the best section of the track...

W2ttsy
 

Chewbas

Squid
Sam Hill, Bryn Atkinson, Jarod Rando, Amiel Cavalier all coming down to race the DH...just thought I'd add that in.

and Jill Kintner in the 4X (as well as those guys).
 

S.

ex offender
Ahh crap, and just when I thought I might have had a shot at winning (well, ignoring the fact that I don't race Elite anyway).
 

W2ttsy

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Chewbas said:
Sam Hill, Bryn Atkinson, Jarod Rando, Amiel Cavalier all coming down to race the DH...just thought I'd add that in.

and Jill Kintner in the 4X (as well as those guys).
jared graves, projvok (spelling) and mick hannah are also on the short list. no rennie tho :(

W2ttsy
 

DH_DEVIL

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u know Maltmans still going to win his class

he will because its not a fashion parade or style parade its who can get to the bottom the fastest:D


cheers



ps hope all you guys heading down have a great time
 
so, after the jump onto the off camber bit, if its too muddy to ride the old dh1, where are we ridin instead ? cranking off the right and around past the dj's or what ?

id have to recommend an intermediate tyre, it may rain, may not, weathers all over the place, if the suns out, the bottom section dry's easy, the stuff in the deep bush not so, its still pretty damp now ( thurs. night) a maxis high roller or something similiar would probly be the go, anyone got other ideas ?
 
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