MTBA feedback survey- DH racers

jimmy seaton

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NECK BRACE: No they are to pricey
BACK/CHEST ARMOUR: No - to uncomfortable to ride in
KNEE/LEG GUARDS: Yes -they have saved my knees a heap
ELBOW/ARM GUARDS: No
GLOVES: Yes - cant ride without them.
GOGGLES:Yes- they keep the dust out of my eyes and eye poking branches
 

Rent_a_crowd

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NECK BRACE: Yes, i am positive they work effectively. Everybody who is saying "not convinced they do anything" then you are rong. If you go over the bars and land on your head im sure you'd rather a neck brace to act like a crumple zone then snap your spine. Also what i can make out of what POC are saying, about the brain damage thing, There are stories all over the net on how the neckbrace saved peoples spines. I have yet to read one where somebody has had brain trumar, and if they did they probally would have got it without the brace on aswell. AND the neck brace is supposed to brake when under heavy impact, to reduce impact.
I can't believe what you have written here condog. Telling people they are 'rong" by not being totally convinced neck braces do anything. Where is your proof they actually do work? As you say you are positive, you must have some proof.

People might write stories all over the net as to how their neck brace saved them but how do they know for sure? Maybe the outcome would have been the same had they not been wearing one. Maybe they are just tying to justify spending $700 on one. Who knows???

As for brain 'trumar' (I suppose you mean tumour?), well as far as I know they are generally caused by some form of cancer and not crashing your bike without a neck brace on :rolleyes:. Everything you have said in this thread is obviously what you believe to be true but it doesn't mean every one else that doesn't believe this is wrong. Maybe you are sponsored by a neck brace company (or wanting to be?) Cheers
 

Tristan D

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NECK BRACE: No, they work great with moto helmets but not sure how well they work with bike helmets.
BACK/CHEST ARMOUR:Yes
KNEE/LEG GUARDS:Yes
ELBOW/ARM GUARDS:Yes, they are part of my body armour.
GLOVES:yes
GOGGLES:no
:)
 

Nerf Herder

Wheel size expert
Neck Brace: I can't afford a broken neck or paraplegia
Back Chest Armour: Refer above - need a chest first
Knee Guards: Only when begging her.
Elbow guards: Yes
Gloves: I like to use my fingers
Goggles: ABSOLUTELY

Seat belts are compulsory, motor cyclists need safety gear. Helmets increase the moveable head mass and neck strain when you stop - simple physics.
Value/cost/never happens to me/uncomfortable = pretty stupid when some one never walks again.
I drive a 5 star car with airbags, hope I never use, and I don't know if they will work BUT I got em any way.
Does this mean you can afford to lose your knees and shins?

Similarly would your logic mean that Motorcyclists should have neck braces as compulsory (They don't you know).

Further, airbags, aren't compulsory ... its a competitive advantage or a value added product, to have them optioned or standard. So ... bit lost with that one, other than you made a choice to buy something :confused:

I'm pretty sure you won't have Life insurance ... but I'll wait to have this confirmed ... before I completely discounted all your blah.

As for brain 'trumar' (I suppose you mean tumour?), well as far as I know they are generally caused by some form of cancer and not crashing your bike without a neck brace on :rolleyes:.
Fark ... now I can't use that as a justification to my wife to get one ... thanks Dude :D
 

Nick53

Likes Bikes and Dirt
Funnily enough I wear all of the armour mentioned. After being injured and off the bike for about a year in total I don't see the point in not wearing it. Now when I don't wear a piece of armour I just feel weird without it.

NECK BRACE: Yes, have a Leatt one. Been wearing it for about a year or so. Certainly think it has saved some injury to my neck. Doesn't feel restrictive at all and I can't even tell I'm wearing it. Very expensive though...

BACK/CHEST ARMOUR: Just been wearing this for the last 2 months after my most recent injury and having a family member and a good friend break their ribs and puncture lungs. Certainly not a thing I want to go through. I use to wear a 661 Pressure Suit but I hated it, was restrictive and made riding less fun so at the moment I'm wearing a Thor Sentinal Chest and Back armour which is the armour recommended by Leatt and fits is nice with the neck brace. Again can hardly feel it's on.

KNEE/LEG GUARDS: Just wear 661 Kyle Straits. Very comfortable and probably the piece of armour that helps me out most apart from my helmet. Had mine for about 2 years. Use to wear the knee/shin pads but they kept on falling down and for the 2 years I've been wearing the Kyle Straits I haven't injured my shins.

ELBOW/ARM GUARDS: At the moment I'm wearing 661 elbow pads with the d3o material in it. The one piece of armour that I really hate wearing. I have to do the straps up so tight so they don't fall down through rough sections and it almost stops the blood flow to my hands and that. Handy when you fall of but a complete pain in the ass to wear. If you didn't have to do them up so tight it would be fine.

GLOVES: Yeah I wear them. Not for the protection aspect though but just because I feel strange without them and when your hands get sweaty or if it muddy you get a lot more grip.

GOGGLES: Always wear them downhilling. Always good to protct your eyes from overhanging trees or dust from the person ahead and my eyes water if I don't wear them...

Also as a surprise I don't look that much like an astronaut (maybe the chest/back protector) when I'm riding but I'm not fussed about it either. I'll see if I can find a picture and post it up. O and in the 2 months I've been wearing all of this I haven't got a scratch on me and it is very good for my confidence knowing that I probably won't get screwed up to bad if I crash.
 

curtisb

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NECK BRACE: dont own one, bit to pricy for me and seems a bit pointless if you know how to crash
BACK/CHEST ARMOUR: chest is not so important as it is normal flimsy and is there as to prevent the first impact and wont stop brakeing ribs(i know this to well) but the back has saved me so many times and it important for racing
KNEE/LEG GUARDS:knee guards are very good as they protect your all important joints but dont think shins are needed for everyone
ELBOW/ARM GUARDS:useless unless they ar part of a full body armour, they slip and move till you cant be bothered any more
GLOVES: this is a personal choice, they stop few scratches but it wont mater if u r wearing them if u have a big crash, your fingers will still get mangled
GOGGLES: they have never realy saved me from serious injury, they just help on those dusty or wet rides

hope this is helpfull
 

mtb_4_life

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NECK BRACE:Yeah bought a Alpinestar 6 months ago never truning back.
BACK/CHEST ARMOUR: Yep have always worn it. Currently using a 661 core saver. (Dont know what people are talking about being to restrictive. Just need to get a good fit)
KNEE/LEG GUARDS: yeah all the time 661 Tomcats (have had Kyle straights but the flexible shell does nothing)
ELBOW/ARM GUARDS: yep THE Elbow and Fore arm protection
GLOVES: alway TLD XC
GOGGLES: Yep after having a crash with goggles witch punched a hole through the lens. i never think twice about packing them in my kit bag.
 

.dan.

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NECK BRACE: i currently dont have one because they are too expensive
BACK/CHEST ARMOUR:i have it but have only worn it once because it was so uncomfortable
KNEE/LEG GUARDS:usually wear a pair of 661 kyle strait knee pads
ELBOW/ARM GUARDS:nope
GLOVES:always wear these
GOGGLES:never ride downhill without them. To me protecting your eyes is more or just as important as wearing a helmet
 

zen zen

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NECK BRACE: dont use one, too expensive and i dont think they would really make much difference
You have to be kidding me?. Please read up on Neck Brace's, They make a massive difference. That difference is snapping your neck or not. They are designed to take the force of your fall so it doesn't go into your spine and snap that making you paraplegic.


No difference at all ay.........:rolleyes:
 

powermutant

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I have one word. Anecdotal. I’m sure all of the comments posted here are based on double-blind, controlled, repeatable experiments.

I didn’t wear a helmet for 27 years and never suffered a serious head injury. I’ve worn a helmet for 12 years and suffered two serious concussions, ergo helmets cause brain damage.

Why not ask the audience how many and what size shims I should use in my ’02 Vanilla RC for my local dh track. They’re probably just as qualified to answer.

Still, I’d hate to miss out on the testiculation:

Full face helmet: Anecdotally, I would have to say very effective at reducing the severity of injury. Blunt force trauma to the head can cause brain damage. Most would classify brain damage as a serious injury.

Neck brace: No comment. Although some of the reading I have done has stated that most neck braces are worn too far below the helmet base to actually be effective in stopping spinal damage. I would suspect anecdotal effectiveness is a lot less prevalent due to the fact that serious neck injuries are a very rare occurrence in the first place. Further, instances of spinal damage I am aware of have been at low speed on ‘xc’ rides. No doubting though that spinal injury could be classified as serious.

Back armour: What are the instances of serious back injury? Anecdotally I’ve crashed a lot with and without armour and never been jabbed in the back. I’ve only ever heard of kidney/liver/spleen damage, all of which I would classify as serious. Is back armour actually effective in reducing this type of injury?

Chest armour: Chest impacts seem more common in DH. Again how effective are the various armour at reducing injury? I’ve seen no stats on this. Was there not reportage lately that some armour was actually quite crap at dissipating impact forces? I’ve been lanced over the heart by a tree limb while wearing armour. The tree limb punctured the armour. I was sore but able to walk away. Did it prevent serious injury? I won’t know unless I repeat the experience without armour. Speeds in DH are fairly low and the ribcage is actually pretty good at protecting your internal organs. I know of a person who was wearing chest armour and suffered 4 broken ribs and bruised heart. Did the armour reduce the severity of the injury or was it ineffective? Would broken ribs be classified as serious?

Then there’s the whole freedom of movement argument that applies to all forms of protective equipment. There have been many comments that equipment is restrictive, ill-fitting, vision impairing. Is this reduction in comfort/capabilities/confidence a leader for increased injury occurrence?

The armour-inspired confidence argument; if you feel more confident are you less or more likely to crash? Is the crash speed likely to be higher, and potential for serious injury increased?

Leg guards: I would guess that puncture wounds or fractures are the two most likely shin related serious injuries. I couldn’t even speculate on shin guard effectiveness. I wouldn’t classify pedal gouges as a serious injury.

Knee guards: Speculating, I would say they are probably helpful at reducing the severity of injury (assuming the guards stay in place, which is a massive assumption). Was Rob Eva wearing knee armour when he had his patella destroyed?

Elbow guards: Broken bones seem to be the most serious arm injuries in dh. I would question the effectiveness of elbow guards in preventing this type of injury. Arms guards also seem to be the worse culprit in staying in place during a crash unless worn as part of a suit, and even then I have anecdotal evidence they will move unless worn under long sleeves, as recommended by the manufacturers.

Gloves: Probably the most serious injuries here are major lacerations, punctures and breaks. I couldn’t comment on the effectiveness of gloves in preventing these types of injuries.

Goggles: I would speculate that sticks, branches, etc are the most likely threat. Are goggles actually effective at preventing these objects from impacting the eye? Are we all better off wearing safety glasses? There is also the whole vision impairment/improvement argument in causing/preventing accidents.

Ankles: What about ‘em? You kinda need ‘em to walk, They’re pretty susceptible injury, and can be a bugger to heal.

Genitals: They’re soft, they get in the way, and I would personally classify any injury as serious.

I’m old, bounce less, heal slow. I wear as much protective gear as practical for the situation. There’s probably a body of anecdotal evidence that would suggest it does help reduce/negate minor injuries such as cuts and abrasions. Will it protect me from serious injury? I don’t know.

So in concluding this dissertation, I’d say I have no freakin’ idea at how effective the above protective equipment is in preventing serious injury, but pffft, don’t let me stop you basing policy on the ramblings of an un/mis-informed audience on teh internermet. Perhaps you could ask downhill bicycle health and safety specialists and get back to us with your findings?

Cheers.
 

chops

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NECK BRACE: yep yep yep,just dont feel right w/o it
BACK/CHEST ARMOUR:meh
KNEE/LEG GUARDS:yea most of the time i wear them
ELBOW/ARM GUARDS:meh
GLOVES:yes! carbon knuckle ones too
GOGGLES:yep dont like riding with out my crowbars
 

Pinner

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Hi guys I use the following:

Neck Brace: have one, use it but don't like it because it restricts your movement.

Back/Chest: use it most of the time unless the track is super easy.

Knee/Leg: use 661 knee pads all the time.

Elbow/Arm: there built into my chest armour so I guess I have to use them when I where my chest armour but when I'm not wearing chest armour I don't wear them.

Gloves: I always wear gloves because just the thought of skinning my hand scares me.

Goggles: always wear them except when it is rainy.
 

timmy0081

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NECK BRACE:Dont have one- too dear. Might get one in the future
BACK/CHEST ARMOUR: Have full body armour, has saved me more than once
KNEE/LEG GUARDS:have kyle strait knees pads which work a treat
ELBOW/ARM GUARDS: included in body armour
GLOVES:dont really like them but save your hands in crashes
GOGGLES: essential on australian tracks. DUSTYYYY
 

Tedman

Cannon Fodder
I retired in 2001 due to a head injury but plan on returning 2010 as a CAT 1 40+ racer. I firmly believe in full safety equipment as I have seen too many nasty incidents in my 20+ years of MTB riding/racing.

NECK BRACE: This item is new since my retirement but on my list of PPE. I think its a necessary piece. I understand they can be quite uncomfortable, but so can riding shorts. I'd rather have the discomfort of a neck guard than the discomfort of a wheelchair.

BACK/CHEST ARMOUR: Absolutely. Mainly for the vertebral column protection.

KNEE/LEG GUARDS: Again, a valuable piece for the knees primarily, but also the shins from those damn pedal slips that always happen when we least expect it.

ELBOW/ARM GUARDS: Good for bouncing off trees and rocks for the sliding characteristics instead of going thru the meat grinder.

GLOVES: I also use gloves and always have. I definetly do not want to shred my hands. Not life threatening but certainly will disable a person temporarily.

GOGGLES: I can't say enough about how important goggles are. For me to lose my eyesight would be the end of my life. A lot of people say its to keep the crap out of your eyes such as tears from speed, dirt/dust/water, etc which is true and also necessary for clear vision. But what about the tree branch or the small stone that scratches the cornea? Anything can happen out there.

Just my .02. But what do I know?
 

blakie49

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NECK BRACE: Wouldnt know. dont wear one.
BACK/CHEST ARMOUR: Do help protect you. But i dont wear one
KNEE/LEG GUARDS: Help knees.
ELBOW/ARM GUARDS: Dont wear any.
GLOVES: Rarely wear any.
GOGGLES: Manly protect eyes from dust. Not mud.
 

DJ Dude

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Qld Elite Dh-4x

NECK BRACE: Leatt Moto GPX
BACK/CHEST ARMOUR: N/A
KNEE/LEG GUARDS: 661 evo's do prefer kyle striaghts as they are a bit tougher but not as easy to move around in
ELBOW/ARM GUARDS: N/A
GLOVES: N/A for dh and 4x, but it is a requirement on bmx tracks to wear gloves so tld airs
GOGGLES: Smiths, lenses depending on what the track is like
 

aidz44

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NECK BRACE: dont have one and probably not riding fast enough to warrant buying one. in saying that, it would only take i awkward crash to NEVER need one.
BACK/CHEST ARMOUR: love it, saved me a few times, although it can be a little restrictive on head movement. (shoulder pads get in the way)
KNEE/LEG GUARDS: after my fullface and gloves, knee/shin guards are the one thing i always wear on the trail
ELBOW/ARM GUARDS: connected to BACK/CHEST ARMOUR, but i probably wouldn't take them off
GLOVES: ohh yes, a must have to fight off the emo's / goths at the corner store when all you want is bread
GOGGLES: got a pair and use them with the fullface, but it wouldn't worry me if i was only wearing sunnies.
 

thecat

NSWMTB, Central Tableland MBC
So in concluding this dissertation, I’d say I have no freakin’ idea at how effective the above protective equipment is in preventing serious injury,
At least one person here understands their limitation. Love you work dougie!


but pffft, don’t let me stop you basing policy on the ramblings of an un/mis-informed audience on teh internermet.
Cheers.
What else is the to base policy on?
 

mty10@

Likes Bikes and Dirt
NECK BRACE: Wear one if you want.
BACK/CHEST ARMOUR: I wear it, but same as above
KNEE/LEG GUARDS: Knee always, legs sometimes
ELBOW/ARM GUARDS: Depends on track
GLOVES: Optional
GOGGLES: Most Definately
 
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