Observations of mountain biking from the past 30 years

Dozer

Heavy machinery.
Staff member
I rode BMX when I was a little tacker, progressed to mountain biking when I was a bigger tacker. For thirty years I’ve commuted daily, I’m a downhill guy primarily but have a bike for every day of the week to ride every discipline that’s had a name since the early 1990’s. I'm not afraid to ride / walk up a mountain to ride a great trail and I've been lucky enough to travel the world riding my bike.
I thought it’d be a good chat to throw my random observations of the innovations I’ve seen and the not so innovative things I’ve seen. In no particular order, here goes:
-Lycra doesn’t make you faster.
-Racing your bike doesn’t make you a legit hardcore bike rider that can talk smack about how good you think you are.
-Disc brakes are amazing. They made mountain bikes more awesome.
-Dropper posts! Possibly the best invention on a mountain bike that makes a good bike a great bike.
-Rim protection in tubeless is great.
-Clubs offering a social ride to attract new people is cool but then saying you need to be a member of whatever governing body is operating this week is shit.
-The requirement of over insuring everything associated with mountain biking is ridiculous. Stop making someone else accountable. Own your choices and deal with it.
-We haven’t been graced with internal gearboxes on mountain bikes because the manufacturer is likely making a fortune out of you destroying your drivetrain on a tiny stick. This won’t change.
-I hate to use the term illegal trails. Just because a club doesn’t have their name on a trail doesn’t mean the system should condemn it. Unsanctioned trails are the best and the guys who spend their time making them are rad.
-Don’t change a trail to suit your level of riding. Respect the builder and look after it.
-The seat post angle on some XL frames is fucking stupid. Lay it forward more you muppets.
-A black trail should mean you’re sort of frightened. A double black? You should be scared and thrilled.
-Stop building flow trails. That name is dumb when your trail flows about as well as ice cubes through a sink.
-Downhill is better than XC.
-Storing your small tools inside the open spaces of your frame & parts is excellent. Thanks for doing that cool stuff.
-Your choice of wheel size doesn’t mean you can be a wanker to the next guy about it. He / she is probably better than you at something but they aren’t carrying on about it. Grow up and own several bikes that all have different size wheels.
-Don’t push in on the shuttle line.
-If the trail is worth the climb, it’s the right kind of climb.
-High five the pro riders who show up to club level racing and mix it up with the people who ride for fun. That is cool.
-Don’t try something on in a shop then buy it online to save yourself $3. That’s a shit culture we can do without.
-Coil shocks are the best, man I love those things.
-Coil sprung forks need to be more common, they’re also awesome.
-Not one pair of padded knicks have ever been created that you would call comfortable. We still wear them though……………….
-Snotty nosed teenagers that have all the top gear because Daddy bought it for them doesn’t mean they can ride better than you. Let them be them and ride your own race.
-A tow bar mountain bike rack with plastic parts on it is an expensive accident waiting to happen. Buy good bike racks people.
-An afterparty for a downhill race should be memorable. I recall Steve Peat being so drunk in 2009 that he forgot he was world champ a few hours ago. Classic.
-Hot tip for learning to do jumps: Keep your torso upright throw the whole process, don't try to lean forward or backwards or crunch low. Stay upright, it helps.
-Different disciplines of mountain biking are more or less popular in different areas of the world. For example; Australia doesn't have a big XC following but Europe does.
-Women have a far better posture on a mountain bike than men.
-Social media has made it okay to be considered a good bike rider without winning a race. That is cool.

Now, there’s two things I have watched unfold over the years that I feel have left a big dent on mountain biking for me.
-The first? Strava. Yep cool, you map your ride and read the data telling you the length of the ride, the elevation, heart rate etc etc. Cool, its good to look at your ride and accessorize it with some numbers. What isn’t cool is a public database that exposes hidden trails that people cannot keep quiet, it isn’t cool to tell some random that you’re faster than him because you beat a time he set 7 years ago on a trail. Relying on a timed result of ride you did that is compiled by a satellite 481235982734km away is pointless. Think you’re quick? Do a bike race to brag about it. In the early inception of Strava, I watched people yell at other riders telling them to move ‘cause they’re on a Strava run. You wanker! I hope the lad out enjoying his bike ride ruined your dreams of setting a time that would bump you two spots up an imaginary list into 374643 place. Again, do a bike race if you think you’re the next World Champ. Also do the world a favor and don’t put a segment online unless it is a nationally signposted road or a club built trail. Trail builders do not want their trails exposed for every squid to ride. Respect the trail builder.
-The second? E bikes. I could ramble on for hours about the benefits of e bikes. I totally hate that it is becoming the modern consumer mountain bike though and it is having bad effect on the culture of mountain bikes. More bikes mean more traffic on trails. I can handle that but now guys are able to ride up a technical single track climb and instead of getting off for an obstacle they’re riding around it and widening the trails which is decaying the strength of the obstacle which then collapses and you’re left with a pile of crap trail. Get off your bike, you’re wrecking single track. Don’t believe me? Then stop riding only machine built flow trails that don’t require any skills and visit some places that are hand built. That brings me to my next point of my distaste of e bikes; they’re making riding accessible to people that have no skill which means we’re getting more trails built to suit the green track riders which means the resources to build harder trails are exhausted which then means we miss out on public access trails to advance your skills which means green trails will be considered hard trails which means you’ll tell people you can ride hard trails which means you’ll find a harder trail on Strava that shouldn’t have been made public then you’ll crash hard on an actual black trail and need to sue someone because you’ve been misled by a machine built flow trail grading system that tells you their green trail is a black trail that is actually a green trail. Sigh, it’s real and I’m seeing it everywhere I go to ride my bike. Now the industry is telling us that an ebike with less battery power and less weight is better for you because its lighter? What? I was pretty content to just let the e bike thing be but it isn’t skilled riders buying these things en masse to ride more, it is the general public that put their helmet on backwards with the seat post slammed to go ride flat shared pathways that then venture into out into the forest to complain about mountain bike trails. I’ll just say it; e bikes are motor bikes, not mountain bikes. I hate they’re going to be the norm and take the cool culture away. I’m going to survive without an ebike just fine.
One of the great parts of mountain biking has been the amount of fun guys and girls to ride with having a fun attitude. This is changing. Could it be technology running it’s race or could it be the has-beens that don’t want to see the changes being dicks about it? I know my place.
 

LPG

likes thicc birds
Love most of this, throw some paragraphs in for the Strava/ebike rant so we can appreciate it properly. I gave up after losing my spot too many times.
 

Lucaw

Next in line
[QUOTE="Dozer, post: 3567018
-The first? Strava. What isn’t cool is a public database that exposes hidden trails that people cannot keep quiet.


100%, we almost got our trails that we'd spent ages building bulldozed because someone put them on strava, luckily the council was easily convinced they were old trails not worth there time demolishing. Some choice words were said to the strava poster :mad:
 

ForkinGreat

Knows his Brassica oleracea
[QUOTE="Dozer, post: 3567018
-The first? Strava. What isn’t cool is a public database that exposes hidden trails that people cannot keep quiet.


100%, we almost got our trails that we'd spent ages building bulldozed because someone put them on strava, luckily the council was easily convinced they were old trails not worth there time demolishing. Some choice words were said to the strava poster :mad:
#Stravahole
 

ozzybmx

taking a shit with my boobs out
Love most of this, throw some paragraphs in for the Strava/ebike rant so we can appreciate it properly. I gave up after losing my spot too many times.
Could have posted in LTIH.
 

Asininedrivel

caviar connoisseur
Don’t try something on in a shop then buy it online to save yourself $3. That’s a shit culture we can do without.
Ken oath. Bike shops are not trying to rip you off. They're trying to stay open. Especially atm.
100%, we almost got our trails that we'd spent ages building bulldozed because someone put them on strava, luckily the council was easily convinced they were old trails not worth there time demolishing. Some choice words were said to the strava poster :mad:
Yeah, several near my place have just been destroyed that were great little runs. Narrow with great catch berms, seemingly well protected against either being eroded or causing it and jumps so well designed even riders of my talent level could derp over them safely. Looked like there'd been an uptick in traffic in the weeks before they got binned so regardless of whether Strava was responsible I'm still going to blame it.
 

Stredda

Runs naked through virgin scrub
I rode BMX when I was a little tacker, progressed to mountain biking when I was a bigger tacker. For thirty years I’ve commuted daily, I’m a downhill guy primarily but have a bike for every day of the week to ride every discipline that’s had a name since the early 1990’s. I'm not afraid to ride / walk up a mountain to ride a great trail and I've been lucky enough to travel the world riding my bike.
I thought it’d be a good chat to throw my random observations of the innovations I’ve seen and the not so innovative things I’ve seen. In no particular order, here goes:
-Lycra doesn’t make you faster.
-Racing your bike doesn’t make you a legit hardcore bike rider that can talk smack about how good you think you are.
-Disc brakes are amazing. They made mountain bikes more awesome.
-Dropper posts! Possibly the best invention on a mountain bike that makes a good bike a great bike.
-Rim protection in tubeless is great.
-Clubs offering a social ride to attract new people is cool but then saying you need to be a member of whatever governing body is operating this week is shit.
-The requirement of over insuring everything associated with mountain biking is ridiculous. Stop making someone else accountable. Own your choices and deal with it.
-We haven’t been graced with internal gearboxes on mountain bikes because the manufacturer is likely making a fortune out of you destroying your drivetrain on a tiny stick. This won’t change.
-I hate to use the term illegal trails. Just because a club doesn’t have their name on a trail doesn’t mean the system should condemn it. Unsanctioned trails are the best and the guys who spend their time making them are rad.
-Don’t change a trail to suit your level of riding. Respect the builder and look after it.
-The seat post angle on some XL frames is fucking stupid. Lay it forward more you muppets.
-A black trail should mean you’re sort of frightened. A double black? You should be scared and thrilled.
-Stop building flow trails. That name is dumb when your trail flows about as well as ice cubes through a sink.
-Downhill is better than XC.
-Storing your small tools inside the open spaces of your frame & parts is excellent. Thanks for doing that cool stuff.
-Your choice of wheel size doesn’t mean you can be a wanker to the next guy about it. He / she is probably better than you at something but they aren’t carrying on about it. Grow up and own several bikes that all have different size wheels.
-Don’t push in on the shuttle line.
-If the trail is worth the climb, it’s the right kind of climb.
-High five the pro riders who show up to club level racing and mix it up with the people who ride for fun. That is cool.
-Don’t try something on in a shop then buy it online to save yourself $3. That’s a shit culture we can do without.
-Coil shocks are the best, man I love those things.
-Coil sprung forks need to be more common, they’re also awesome.
-Not one pair of padded knicks have ever been created that you would call comfortable. We still wear them though……………….
-Snotty nosed teenagers that have all the top gear because Daddy bought it for them doesn’t mean they can ride better than you. Let them be them and ride your own race.
-A tow bar mountain bike rack with plastic parts on it is an expensive accident waiting to happen. Buy good bike racks people.
-An afterparty for a downhill race should be memorable. I recall Steve Peat being so drunk in 2009 that he forgot he was world champ a few hours ago. Classic.
-Hot tip for learning to do jumps: Keep your torso upright throw the whole process, don't try to lean forward or backwards or crunch low. Stay upright, it helps.
-Different disciplines of mountain biking are more or less popular in different areas of the world. For example; Australia doesn't have a big XC following but Europe does.
-Women have a far better posture on a mountain bike than men.
-Social media has made it okay to be considered a good bike rider without winning a race. That is cool.

Now, there’s two things I have watched unfold over the years that I feel have left a big dent on mountain biking for me.
-The first? Strava. Yep cool, you map your ride and read the data telling you the length of the ride, the elevation, heart rate etc etc. Cool, its good to look at your ride and accessorize it with some numbers. What isn’t cool is a public database that exposes hidden trails that people cannot keep quiet, it isn’t cool to tell some random that you’re faster than him because you beat a time he set 7 years ago on a trail. Relying on a timed result of ride you did that is compiled by a satellite 481235982734km away is pointless. Think you’re quick? Do a bike race to brag about it. In the early inception of Strava, I watched people yell at other riders telling them to move ‘cause they’re on a Strava run. You wanker! I hope the lad out enjoying his bike ride ruined your dreams of setting a time that would bump you two spots up an imaginary list into 374643 place. Again, do a bike race if you think you’re the next World Champ. Also do the world a favor and don’t put a segment online unless it is a nationally signposted road or a club built trail. Trail builders do not want their trails exposed for every squid to ride. Respect the trail builder.
-The second? E bikes. I could ramble on for hours about the benefits of e bikes. I totally hate that it is becoming the modern consumer mountain bike though and it is having bad effect on the culture of mountain bikes. More bikes mean more traffic on trails. I can handle that but now guys are able to ride up a technical single track climb and instead of getting off for an obstacle they’re riding around it and widening the trails which is decaying the strength of the obstacle which then collapses and you’re left with a pile of crap trail. Get off your bike, you’re wrecking single track. Don’t believe me? Then stop riding only machine built flow trails that don’t require any skills and visit some places that are hand built. That brings me to my next point of my distaste of e bikes; they’re making riding accessible to people that have no skill which means we’re getting more trails built to suit the green track riders which means the resources to build harder trails are exhausted which then means we miss out on public access trails to advance your skills which means green trails will be considered hard trails which means you’ll tell people you can ride hard trails which means you’ll find a harder trail on Strava that shouldn’t have been made public then you’ll crash hard on an actual black trail and need to sue someone because you’ve been misled by a machine built flow trail grading system that tells you their green trail is a black trail that is actually a green trail. Sigh, it’s real and I’m seeing it everywhere I go to ride my bike. Now the industry is telling us that an ebike with less battery power and less weight is better for you because its lighter? What? I was pretty content to just let the e bike thing be but it isn’t skilled riders buying these things en masse to ride more, it is the general public that put their helmet on backwards with the seat post slammed to go ride flat shared pathways that then venture into out into the forest to complain about mountain bike trails. I’ll just say it; e bikes are motor bikes, not mountain bikes. I hate they’re going to be the norm and take the cool culture away. I’m going to survive without an ebike just fine.
One of the great parts of mountain biking has been the amount of fun guys and girls to ride with having a fun attitude. This is changing. Could it be technology running it’s race or could it be the has-beens that don’t want to see the changes being dicks about it? I know my place.
I agree with most of your observations but disagree about the Ebike thing.
Green trails are not getting built for Ebiker, they are getting built for people who are entering mountain biking as a sport be that on a normal bike or an Ebike. Green trails are also for people that don't feel the need to progress to black trails, be that for self-preservation reasons, that they are more risk averse or simply that type of trail is what you prefer. Green trails are a great way to get people into the sport we love and we wouldn't have the great trail networks around the country without the pathway that adding beginner trails to increase the popularity of MTB.
Riders cut switchbacks, made easier lines and general undesirable trail etiquette long before Ebikes were a thing.
We need to get away from this gate keeping in the mountain biking community. This I don't like "insert the type of mountain biking that I don't do" gives me the shits.
 

dancaseyimages

Mountain bike pornographer
Lycra is also not office attire with a business shirt whilst you wait for lunch to have a shower.

I have liked the way its progressed, MTB seems to be more of a recreational activity that more are invested in / the cost of entry seems to have so many more levels these days and I think with houses becoming more expensive and the health system falling to pieces in some places, health (mentally and physically on the bike) has really become a good part of our lives.

Maybe I'm only noticing it with kids but Roadies are probably a whole new class as they do laps around places that they seem to think are a velodrome instead of a footpath.
 
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yuley95

soft-arse Yuley is on the lifts again
-A black trail should mean you’re sort of frightened. A double black? You should be scared and thrilled.
Love this and agree entirely. Been riding slabs (rocks) here in Canada that are black rated but borderline double black. You get a chance to set up at the top then you’re a passenger most of the way down as you try to control speed while clenching your arse and giggling all the way!
 

Dozer

Heavy machinery.
Staff member
Love this and agree entirely. Been riding slabs (rocks) here in Canada that are black rated but borderline double black. You get a chance to set up at the top then you’re a passenger most of the way down as you try to control speed while clenching your arse and giggling all the way!
I had you in mind when I was thinking about posting this @yuley95 Have you noticed the lack of e bikes in Canada and the distaste towards it? I saw two ebikes on trails in Whistler in the month I was there in July and the vibe I got chatting with locals is the extra traffic totally destroys the trails for the short time they get to ride them. I totally get it.
 

slimjim1

Fat boomers cloggin' ma leaderboard
The funny thing is, the first thing you mentioned (Strava) has been destroyed by the second thing you mentioned (Ebikes). The amount of fat boomers on e-mopeds clogging the leaderboards is wild. You aint fast. LOL.

Strava - I use it, I'll keep using it for now, but I'd be happy for it to go altogether. Noting the above, the segments and leaderboard functions (which along with the heatmaps feature are driving the issue around unsanctioned trails) are redundant. Other free apps give you the stats and the route building features.

Agree 100% on ebikes. I still think about this article that was posted in 2018:
'Our trails aren't built for that': eBike riders risk fines in Canberra nature parks | The Canberra Times | Canberra, ACT

I guess a lot has changed in 5 years, namely the whole industry chasing the boomer eeb $. Call me a gatekeeper but IDGAF. This sport is not supposed to be easy. I worry about the long-term precedent that eebs set with Surrons etc. Now they are selling 'pedal kits' to make these things look like eebs. Nightmare to enforce. It's already becoming a big problem in the US.
 

slowmick

38-39"
I think you could add the Covid 5km lockdowns, YouTube shredits to Strava as a list of things that killed many of my local trails. What was a system of sneaky trails and animal tracks exploded overnight to be a mini mountain bike park. Parks were not happy.
 

slimjim1

Fat boomers cloggin' ma leaderboard
I find the endurbro thing as well, very offputting.

There's a small trail head one of the places I ride, basically no parking. Few years ago people would just ride out and you'd rarely see anyone. Now blokes driving less than a few kms and parking their jacked rangers in peoples front yards, unloading their eeb or 180MM freeride rig to 'shred' the green xc trails (yewwwwwww).

Not a good look for MTB IMO.
 

ozzybmx

taking a shit with my boobs out
parking their jacked rangers in peoples front yards, unloading their eeb or 180MM freeride rig to 'shred' the green xc trails (yewwwwwww).

Not a good look for MTB IMO.
Still riding bikes, might not be what you like but they have as much right to ride there as you.

On the flip side, can I ride my fully rigid singlespeed on black DH's or will the downhillers complain.
 

tubby74

Likes Bikes and Dirt
I guess a lot has changed in 5 years, namely the whole industry chasing the boomer eeb $. Call me a gatekeeper but IDGAF.
the $ side seems to go in wild swings. its crazy the amount of $6K plus second hand bikes going, like people threw a small car into a sport they werent already committed to. then prices went nuts for covid, yet now its a great time to buy a new bike only 18 months later, 2K gets you a very decent hardtail.
 

Haakon

has an accommodating arse
Not wearing lycra on the roadie doesn’t make you slower, but it sure does make you chaffed in places you’d rather not be…

Always change out of lycra BEFORE entering the office. No one wants to see that…
 

Jabubu

let you google that for me
I wish owners of ebikes knew how much more damage their high torque moves do to hand built trail features - I have to hop or launch over things (or mostly walk or fall off!) but ebikers can just lay down the power which slowly and surely scrapes a bit more rock or soil away, leaving a monumental uphill step that you have no choice but to lift your bike over to get to the next part.

I'd like to see a contribution from all sales of ebikes - let's call it a trail tax..
 
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