Can someoe give me a list of good hip hop artists.
I'm starting to get into it.. and want some more range.
..............how about who cares..
There is no "major label" in aus for them to sign to, i don't consider Obese to be major by the amount of records they move. But thats because the scene isn't big enough for them to become a major label, predominant, yes but not major.You clearly have no clue. You do understand that 'selling out' traditionally means 'signing to a major and changing your sound to shift millions of units'. Not 'enjoying a modicum of commercial success and actually getting airplay' If the Hoods and BEI are sellouts, then everyone signed to Obese must be sellouts, thereby making Reason sellouts and making Pegz the greatest sellout in all of Oz Hip Hop since he owns the label.
this was a good thread before you started bashing people so:There is no "major label" in aus for them to sign to, i don't consider Obese to be major by the amount of records they move. But thats because the scene isn't big enough for them to become a major label, predominant, yes but not major.
The traditional meaning of selling-out cant apply to the aussie hip hop scene because its not big enough to be able to produce sellouts because either way, there is hardly a living in oz hip hop. So if you cant use the traditional meaning of the term, then what you said doesnt really apply to Hilltops not being sell-outs, they changed their style of music simply to maximise profits, which isn't what it's all about. Their first albums were skilled shit and then nosebleed dropped and you could easily see the difference in skill that they used to have, they purposely made it more mainstream. With regards to the aussie scene, they sold-out (which made them a little bit more cash), with regards to the "traditional" meaning of sell-outs then no they arent't.
And Pegz starting Obese records made it easier for the next generation to get a foothold in the industry, how the fuck is that selling out? The difference between pegz and hilltops is that although pegz makes money, he hasnt changed his music to enable it.
Nice name dropping BTW.
You're an idiot. That last post proves it. There are a host of major labels in Australia that a hip hop group could sign to if they wanted, who the fuck do you think 'hip hop artists' like, Joel Turner (Dream Dealers/Sony), DJ Peril (Sony), TZU (Mushroom) and Phrase (Marlin/Universal) are on? Christ. Major labels.There is no "major label" in aus for them to sign to, i don't consider Obese to be major by the amount of records they move. But thats because the scene isn't big enough for them to become a major label, predominant, yes but not major.
The traditional meaning of selling-out cant apply to the aussie hip hop scene because its not big enough to be able to produce sellouts because either way, there is hardly a living in oz hip hop. So if you cant use the traditional meaning of the term, then what you said doesnt really apply to Hilltops not being sell-outs, they changed their style of music simply to maximise profits, which isn't what it's all about. Their first albums were skilled shit and then nosebleed dropped and you could easily see the difference in skill that they used to have, they purposely made it more mainstream. With regards to the aussie scene, they sold-out (which made them a little bit more cash), with regards to the "traditional" meaning of sell-outs then no they arent't.
And Pegz starting Obese records made it easier for the next generation to get a foothold in the industry, how the fuck is that selling out? The difference between pegz and hilltops is that although pegz makes money, he hasnt changed his music to enable it.
Nice name dropping BTW.
Damn straight! The first thing I thought when I listened to The Calling was "fuck dude,I know exactly what they were thinking when they made this: "Austereo Austereo Austereo Austereo"."Their first albums were skilled shit and then nosebleed dropped and you could easily see the difference in skill that they used to have, they purposely made it more mainstream. With regards to the aussie scene, they sold-out (which made them a little bit more cash), with regards to the "traditional" meaning of sell-outs then no they arent't.
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No, you don't. Pegz makes a fuck load of money yet he didnt change his music to make that happen, he still makes money without selling out. I'm using this as an example just as you were.
Hiltops in my book are sell-outs, they purposely changed their music to make money.
I'm assuming that you like their music, so you telling me that i have no idea about music doesnt mean much, i understand where youre coming from, but i stand by what i said.
Um, yes you do. You can make money & not sell-out, but you can't sell-out and not make money. The word 'sell' kind of gives this away.No, you don't. Pegz makes a fuck load of money yet he didnt change his music to make that happen, he still makes money without selling out. I'm using this as an example just as you were.You have to be making money to sell out.
Hiltops in my book are sell-outs, they purposely changed their music to make money.
You state this like it's an unequivocal fact! How do you know this? Did you ask the guys themselves why they changed their music? Or did you just assume that because in your opinion their sound is more "commercial" that they made this change with the intent of making more money?Hiltops in my book are sell-outs, they purposely changed their music to make money.
You can sell out and still be shit and ultimately not make money. Obviously you'd make a quick buck from the label you just signed to, but if youre still shit it wont go far past that.Um, yes you do. You can make money & not sell-out, but you can't sell-out and not make money. The word 'sell' kind of gives this away.
Yeah i see what you mean, although i never listened to hiltops, i had a couple of albums but i was more preoccupied with other artists. I never liked their sound, but admitedly in the beginning they were undeniably good, they still are, but their music doesnt reflect it anymore. And it really doesnt bother me that whenever people talk about oz hip hop they say hiltops, well actually it does which is why im going on about it so much.You state this like it's an unequivocal fact! How do you know this? Did you ask the guys themselves why they changed their music? Or did you just assume that because in your opinion their sound is more "commercial" that they made this change with the intent of making more money?
To me it sounds like another one of those "they used to be underground and cool when I liked them, but now that everybody likes them and I can't drop their name like I know a secret, they're sellouts" sort of situations.