Ty` said:yeah look at this years craft works as aswell, they are all made by pacific is a massive factory in taiwan, frame companys get a cataloge where they can go, i want this main frame, this swingarm with these dropouts, or some times they just say yeah i want that frame with my stickers. the azonic saber is actualy designed by rober crafter i've heard whch makes it a Craftworks FRM, lots of stuff like this happens.