Not a VET but the thread did catch my eye.
I have to agree but also disagree when many of you say LSC is for small bump compliance, although it does have a affect on small bump compliance, this is only apparent at low speeds, when you are on the trail most these bumps transfer into HSC or the force you hit these bumps at is so high that that a stiffer set up has no issue absorbing them and does not really have a dramatic affect if any at all. For instance I am only 60kg run a soft spring (yellow) in my 2011 boxxer teams, 9 clicks of LSC and 6 HSC. I did run the reccomended super soft but it was undersprung. The only thing with this set up is that because it is stiff you cannot really ride slow so those initial first few warm up runs tend to feel a bit choppy but once you are up to speed it is magic. You do need to ride the bike and be a little more aggresive.
speaking from a DH point of view here
Primairly LSC should be used to my understanding as slow shifting and body movement control, primairly I use it up front to stop the bike diving, wollowing in holes or diving on LSC mounds (like single woops). I think it is important to follow the sag guides but equally important to consider trail speed and your riding speed. My fork on the flat sits at about 15% sag but on the trail is perfect. Likewise you will see many Pro DH riders with very little sag in the carpark.
Sag is also a very vaque and not an accurate way to assess spring rate on a DH bike due to the slack angles and varience in track speed you need to assess your HSC adjuster position and travel usage. Needing to back the adjuster off completly, you need to reduce spring rate.
If you have to increase the HSC setting close to full firm position, you need to increase the spring rate
This way you are matching your damper and spring rates to give the best possible setup... you don’t want to over damp or over spring your ride.
My rebound again like many others is fairly slow, I ran the faster RS reccomendation and didnt really work
(however I was undersprung at this point), I may experiment later on with fast rebound again.
The set up for my fork is as follows (rebounds are fairly accurate guesses)
weight: ~60kg
Fork: 2011 Boxxer team (R2C2)
Spring: Soft (yellow)
LSC +9
HSC +6
ES rebound + 6 or +7
BS rebound -not sure but its faster than ES, about 10-12 I'd say.
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So, this is my current setup (I'm 78kgs)
DH - Propain
Boxxer 2010 (yellow spring + 5 clicks of HSC, and 3 clicks of LSC) ... could prolly get a click or two more of LSC as some people are saying it is diving a little on the brakes. HS Rebound is I think 7 to 9 clicks from off ... LS is 4 to 5 from off
Seems like I run fairly stiff, at 18kg lighter I am running +6 more clicks of LSC and +1 HSC, but this deffinatly works for me, would highly reccomend trying more LSC nerf, but at the end of the day everyone will run a different set up.
My Rc4 on the rear is set up with quite a bit of LSC about 6 clicks I think, HSC is about 4.The spring rate is slightly too soft though and I have not really fine tuned it.
I was fortune enough to get some detailed information from Ken Ballhause at tekin which really helped me understand how this shock works but also how it should be set up and what adjustments should be changed for the desired feel. The information is floating around RB in a thread.
I ride alot of rocky trails, fast and slow along with the fast flowly smoother stuff and I dont need to change the fork on any of them.
Not a vet, but this thread interested me.
I've been playing around with my set up lately, i have Boxxer Teams up front and an X-Fusion Vector Hlr rear.
Up from, i run about 7 clicks of HSC and about 5 of LSC. Feels pretty good and 11 ending stroke rebound and about 11 beggining stroke.
Ive also taken out the bottom out bumper, makes the fork feel better in the end of its travel. Might be something you guys might look into. Just take it out of the middle of the spring.
Thats my wrap up
If anyone has suggestions let me know!
Run more LSC and less HSC Primairly you need to make sure you have the right spring in your fork this is the basis to everything and without this the fork is going to lag in performance. Your riding speed is going to determine how stiff you set up your bike. Keep your setting written down and if you like try my settings above, dont judge it cruising around as it will feel very stiff riding to the trail and you will be thinking,
"what the hell this is so stiff my forks not taking any small bumps and its hardly moving" but on the trail it should feel very smooth and controlled, It works for me. I also run no bumpstop in the fork, I use a soft spring and am about 60kg.
Alot of people use LSC trying to control HSC bumps. Like wise people try to control some LSC with HSC adjustments.
Your spring rate should assess your sag, preload is a height adjustment not a spring rate adjustment.Preload also kills low-speed rebound on 40's so the same may apply for boxxers. Sag is almost useless for assessing a DH bike due to HA and change of track speed but as a general rule Get the correct spring rate I would say about 20% on the flat as a average starting point. Then from here I would personally try for you:
+4 or+5 HSC
+7LSC
ending stroke rebound +7 or +8
Keep beggining where it is as im not even sure what im running here haha but I know its faster than ending.
From here you can minor tweek the settings, you may want to try my settings as mentioned above aswell.
See how they both feel and let us know if it works for you or not. It may feel awkward at first but give it a day of riding and see how you go, you will find it requires a faster riding pace, and the faster you ride the better and smoother the fork will feel.
Now from what I gather though it seems that many pros run less LSC in the rear and opt for a higher HSC over the LSC, I would assume it would be the other way around but I guess this would be to level out the weight and to compensate for the excessive rear forces.
If I cannot convince you or anyone else in this thread than maybe all the proffesional Dh riders using heaps of LSC will
you only need to watch these boys pedalling down the straight to see how much their forks dont move under body movement.
