The election thread - Two middle-late aged white men trying to be blokey and convincing..., same old shit, FFS.

Who will you vote for?

  • Liberals

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Labor

    Votes: 21 31.8%
  • Nationals

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Greens

    Votes: 21 31.8%
  • Independant

    Votes: 15 22.7%
  • The Clive Palmer shit show

    Votes: 4 6.1%
  • Shooters and Fishers Party

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • One Nation

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Donkey/Invalid vote

    Votes: 3 4.5%

  • Total voters
    66

Ivan

Eats Squid
I live (relatively) in the boonies (certainly, not part of Sydney proper) & I get 22Mbps on DSL. I'm pretty happy with 22Mbps...I can stream 720p, what more do I want?

You are in the top 14%. I would suggest not moving house.

Australia's average speed is 6.9mbps, for those that can get connected. There are plenty of metro places in Australia where you can't even get DSL level internet.

Currently only 14% of the country is connected to high-speed internet, which delivers broadband speeds of over 10 Mbps.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/r...speed-is-only-ranked-44th-in-the-world-2015-1
 

slippy

Likes Bikes and Dirt
WGAS? Unless you're performing remote robot surgery, how will it change your life if you can stream porn 40x faster or download a pirate movie in 20 minutes rather than 20 hours? I'd hazard a guess that well over 90% of internet use is frivolous BS, and I don't even use facebook/twitter/instagram et al.
 

Haakon

has an accommodating arse
I'm getting a bit over 2 mbps tonight. Cancelled plans to watch a movie on netflix - resorting to a torrented file.
 

slippy

Likes Bikes and Dirt
Screw Netflix. We had a better thing going when you could hire 7 weekly movies on VHS for the price of 1 new release. Society is going backwards.
 

pink poodle

気が狂っている男
WGAS? Unless you're performing remote robot surgery, how will it change your life if you can stream porn 40x faster or download a pirate movie in 20 minutes rather than 20 hours? I'd hazard a guess that well over 90% of internet use is frivolous BS, and I don't even use facebook/twitter/instagram et al.
I'm sure that most people's net use is frivolous, but look at the power of the frivolous industries...porn, gambling, TV/movie...they are as responsible for people wanting a reasonable connection as consumers. Then there is service provision like etax or centrelink's online forms.

For myself I'm regularly uploading reasonable quantities or photos and videos for work. I'd like that to be faster and not drop out so often. I would imagine the online training industry would love it, primary producers, shipping and probably a swag of other industries could find use for better technology.
 

Haakon

has an accommodating arse
Screw Netflix. We had a better thing going when you could hire 7 weekly movies on VHS for the price of 1 new release. Society is going backwards.
I couldn't go back to VHS picture quality... Netflix I binned tonight because of the low res picture from shitty bandwidth - was still better than VHS!
 

Haakon

has an accommodating arse
I'm sure that most people's net use is frivolous, but look at the power of the frivolous industries...porn, gambling, TV/movie...they are as responsible for people wanting a reasonable connection as consumers. Then there is service provision like etax or centrelink's online forms.

For myself I'm regularly uploading reasonable quantities or photos and videos for work. I'd like that to be faster and not drop out so often. I would imagine the online training industry would love it, primary producers, shipping and probably a swag of other industries could find use for better technology.
Don't be ridiculous. Coal is the future, not these silly computer things..
 

pink poodle

気が狂っている男
I couldn't go back to VHS picture quality... Netflix I binned tonight because of the low res picture from shitty bandwidth - was still better than VHS!
I only found a problem with vhs after a lot of pausing. It left my favourite slots blurry and twitchy.
 

scblack

Leucocholic
Screw Netflix. We had a better thing going when you could hire 7 weekly movies on VHS for the price of 1 new release. Society is going backwards.
A new release is say $3.99 and that was the price of a VHS rental.

What planet were you living on when you could get 7 rentals for a price like that?
 

pink poodle

気が狂っている男
Don't be ridiculous. Coal is the future, not these silly computer things..
You raise a valid point. Put the money in a safe place.

A new release is say $3.99 and that was the price of a VHS rental.

What planet were you living on when you could get 7 rentals for a price like that?
Ummm...the 90s saw prices like this all the time. Movies outside the new release section were often something like 7 movies 7 days 7 dollars...it played a large role in my high school years.
 

johnny

I'll tells ya!
Staff member
I'd like to have all the money back that I paid in movie rental late fees.

I'd buy a car, a house, a trip to Europe and then retire to live off the interest of what's left over.
 

pharmaboy

Eats Squid
I believe that Labor had that in place before the LNP came in. Labor started sending everyone off-shore and the numbers dropped drastically in the final months of the LAbor leadership. The LNP were in place to take credit for it.

It's as much about perception as anything - if you think there's no chance, you don't try. I haven't seen numbers of arrivals month by month leading up to the election, but nevertheless rhetoric is effective it would seem



The point is sound, if we are turning boats back, then the boats haven't stopped. We only find out about turnbacks via other means such as reporters going to Indonesia, the RI police talking about smugglers being paid to turn back, etc. The govt refuses to talk about "on the water matters", which then means the Australian voter cannot say either way whether the boats have actually stopped or not. This is not to criticise any particular policy, this is simply to analysis what is and is not happening.

Pharma, to your last point where you evidence Europe as a horror show that brings to light the scourge of people smugglers, you seem to have been selective of the information you use. Yes, there are horror stories of boats going under and babies on beaches. However, there are also stories of hundreds of thousands of people making it to safety and being allowed in to developed countries where they can be safe and look for work.

You also decide that people smugglers are heartless crims, however evidence says that there are also large networks of people in the transit regions that are helping for free due to moral and religious reasons.

Lastly, what is the option for parents, to stay in their homes and risk destruction, to stay in camps in Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon where they can't earn money, don't have proper shelter, can barely educate their children, have little to no access to healthcare and just hope for the best? Is that what you would decide for your family, after seeing hundreds of thousands making it to safety and a new life? Don't answer. You cannot know how you would act in their situation and I cannot say how you or I would act either because we have not had those extreme experiences.

However, what we can say is that it is very likely that many, many people will try desperate measures in desperate times. The evidence is on our TV's every night. As a planner this is what must be considered and views from high horses that run along lines of "should, shouldn't" etc., are pointless when creating a strategy to deal with such matters. All you can think can consider is can, cannot, likely, unlikely.

Again, I don't have an opinion about any of the policies of the Aust govt and neither do I pass judgement on those in Europe or the Mid East. I do, however think that one must consider the complexity of these issues and the many perspectives before having a firm position.
Oh, there is no question that the Syrian situation has created absolutely real refugees, and indeed the appropriate response for a western nation is to do our bit within our abilities. In my shallow mind however, I do make a distinction between a refugee ( asylum seeker?) who has travelled from the Middle East through or to Asia, but then gets on a boat after paying money to get to a rich western nation, and one who has fled a war torn area straight over the border.

Anyway, thanks for a thoughtful post.

Onto leadership .....

Can't help but notice that my favourite leftie journos are running the line that the Australian public won't put up with another PM given the arse! I am pretty sure this is because they want TA to still remain so as shorten wins the next election .

When your opposition wants you to stay as leader rather than a more moderate leader (Turnbull), it's definately time to go. I bet you won't hear the ALP saying TA has to go.

Interesting strategy going on though with a bunch of Libs approaching journos a week before the by election and then saying before the end of the year..... - trying to push the issue a bit?
 

John U

MTB Precision
Turnbull has stepped down as minister and has advised Abbott he will challenge.

Bang the gong, it is on.
 

Freediver

I can go full Karen
I hate the thought of Turnbull leading, he's in with a chance next year where I don't think Abbott has any. I would prefer to have them gone in one term.
 
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