pink poodle
気が狂っている男
Extremes are rarely a good position to be in.
The election thread - Two middle-late aged white men trying to be blokey and convincing..., same old shit, FFS.
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floody
Wheel size expert
India has 500+ proposed coal fired power plants, which people are being maimed and killed in protest against. They are also heavy into establishing Nuclear with the assistance of the Soviets...sorry, the Russians.
Just because India are building it, does not mean we must fuel it.
pink poodle
気が狂っている男
But we already have a deal to send them he fuel they need...but not Pakistan. Helping the empire and all that I suppose.
pharmaboy
Eats Squid
Perhaps that is the example that most encapsulates the environmentalist view versus the pragmatic.
Nuclear power (in all forms) is rejected out of hand by people who say the planet is doomed because of CO2. It's certainly not THE solution, but it surely should be part of it. It's no fluke that countries like France and Germany who do well under emissions reductions also have easy access to backup nuclear both within and across country borders
silentbutdeadly
has some good things to say
Yes...I pointed that out in my post.
As for us being the 'lucky country' when it comes to climate change, ocean borders and climate migration...I wouldn't say so. Our only 'luck' is that unlike many other nations we have access to most of the resources required to adapt (in human terms). But our geography, ecology and society are set for a hell of a shake up regardless...
www.climatechangeinaustralia.gov.au and check out the Climate Analogues tool.
pink poodle
気が狂っている男
Look mate, that is straight up bullshit. I (regretfully) watched Mad Max Fury Road, a documentary full of scare mongering about global warming and air pollution. Quite frankly those people still had water. We can regenerate our wastelands, we just need to believe in our ability to do so. We are the dominant species!
Insert llama where appropriate...I'm new to this bit and don't know exactly how it works.
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hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
Hey Pinkie. I've never worried that human kind will become extinct.
I worry about all the shit that will occur as we carry out our extinction-mitigation mentality.
I worry about all the shit that will occur as we carry out our extinction-mitigation mentality.
pink poodle
気が狂っている男
We are a destructive short sighted species
Flow-Rider
Burner
Now ain't that the truth, unless you have lived like a hippy or an Amazonian tribesman with no reliance on main civilisation, we have all contributed to the greed.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
John U
MTB Precision
It is part of our make up to consume and collect as much as we can. Going against this,which is what I believe we should do, is going against our evolution. It will be our undoing.
There is always hope though. No point in just giving up.
Hamsta
Likes Bikes and Dirt
Think of all the uranium Australia can export to India! Nuclear power is the future....Japan have recently re-started some of their reactors, India are planning to build a shitload whilst Australia, which ironically has one of the lowest population densities, still thumbs it's nose at the most efficient and cost effective form of power generation. Adding more weight to the nuclear argument, Australia is pretty good at digging stuff out of the ground and we have plenty of uranium to sell.
But no....some Dolphin hugging NIMBYS think nuclear energy will ultimately kill us all. FFS the paper cups they buy their daily coffee's in or the components in their redundant iProducts will fuck the planet long before nuclear power ever will.
floody
Wheel size expert
I would. The genesis of the epithet 'the lucky country' came from Donald Horne's 1964 book of the same title, wherein at the opening of the last chapter he observes that Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck. It lives on other people's ideas, and, although its ordinary people are adaptable, most of its leaders (in all fields) so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise.
That sounds pretty accurate to me.
scblack
Leucocholic
Why would you consider yourself to be second rate, Floody?
pharmaboy
Eats Squid
Dolphin huggers.... Bwahahaha
Hipsters don't even notice their recyclable paper cup, (a) goes into a street waste bin,and (b) has a plastic lid.
What it really means, is global warming is the major issue except when an action or solution goes against my religious beliefs.
John U
MTB Precision
Yeah, no worries with looking after all that nuclear waste for 10's of 1000's of years. That shit'll look after itself.
A fairly large proportion of corporate arseholes can't be trusted with the here and now, let alone thousands of years into the future. This is a big gap in your argument.
pink poodle
気が狂っている男
Funny you should mention that...I clock a few hours here and there working in a friend's cafe. Bio everything in the take away range, all of which is recyclable and compostable...predominantly young hip unistudent customers...about 1% can get their head around the recycle bin. Unbelievable level of ignorance/stupidity! The recyclable symbol is on all of it...
It's not as cost effective if you look at the total costs, including commissioning and decommissioning of the power plants, and dealing with the waste. Thorium got a lot of buzz a few years ago, but it looks like that's also going to be a long, hard and expensive road.
Nah, modern nuclear energy is quite safe if done right, and far cleaner than coal, we just have a bad habit of fucking things up. Nuclear plants cost a bucketload to build, so it seems far better to invest in tech that harnesses a massive nuclear plant that we don't have to build and will easily outlast humanity. Fusion power looks rad though, pity it's so hard to do.
If we had invested as much in R&D for renewables as we have in nuclear, and done so for the amount of time the nuclear industry has been operating, we probably wouldn't be having this argument. 5-10 years ago you may have been right, but at grid scale, it looks like it's going to be a battle between Wind/PV + battery storage vs CSP as to which can provide the cheapest clean electricity where hydro isn't available.
If PV + storage wins, it's going to get real messy when it's price equivalent or cheaper than what the grid costs...that's going to be hugely disruptive, so I hope CSP gets supported, as Australia is ideally suited. Kind of crazy to think the entire population of Adelaide could be powered by clean energy (2 x CSP as per copiapo) for the cost of 3 Adelaide ovals and 1 hospital, or 2 and a bit desalination plants.
pharmaboy
Eats Squid
I thought you were concerned with devastation in 50 years from climate change, but now that's less important that burying waste 1km underground permanently and without need for stewardship
Which begs the question, why the point about "corporate arseholes"?
Perhaps because it fits your narrative?
Si618 - don't mention hydro, the greenies are down on that one too
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Beej1
Senior Member
I don't claim to be an expert in this despite my username, which is entirely unrelated, but a while ago some research I did into modern nuclear powerplants indicated the amount of waste they'd potentially generate in 30 years of use would be a lot smaller than you'd think. Like, enough to fill a large house. Something to do with reprocessing initial waste into secondary fissile material for fast neutron rectors. Plus the final waste itself is a lot less radioactive as a result. I'll try and find the articles, but in any case, I was surprised.
Combined with them only letting off steam as opposed to smoke from coal burning, along with the rest of the sludge from coal plants, and nuclear looked pretty damn spanking clean in comparison.
However, same article also showed how hideously expensive to build they are compared to coal.