The election thread - Two middle-late aged white men trying to be blokey and convincing..., same old shit, FFS.

Who will you vote for?

  • Liberals

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Labor

    Votes: 21 31.8%
  • Nationals

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Greens

    Votes: 21 31.8%
  • Independant

    Votes: 15 22.7%
  • The Clive Palmer shit show

    Votes: 4 6.1%
  • Shooters and Fishers Party

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • One Nation

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Donkey/Invalid vote

    Votes: 3 4.5%

  • Total voters
    66

ozzybmx

taking a shit with my boobs out
Depending on the cover you have and what it's for. My uncle needed a hip and knee replacement and he got it done within 2 months of the diagnosis and got to pick where it was done, my neighbour's father's knee replacement was postponed for 4 years on a waiting list for public. The same uncle had a cancerous tumour cut from the side of his neck and it was done in a private hospital within a week. You are out of pocket with private a bit but even the aftercare is much better most of the time, you're not waiting at a public hospital all day to see a specialist.

Hospital waiting times are inadequate here, people pass away all the time before they can get medical treatment.
You are telling me about something completely different than you originally asked, I know how private works, all I'm saying is a private emergency department is a cost to everyone, regardless if you have private or not.

I can go to a private ED and pay $430 to save waiting in a public ED with a chicken bone in my throat, it will cost a top cover private patient exactly the same.

What happens after that is where it changes, the availability to get stuff fixed is nearly immediate when private where public, you join the slow queue.
 

Dales Cannon

lightbrain about 4pm
Staff member
When I decided to show the world the inside of my hand I started at a private hospital who did the initial bits and the surgeon on tap took a look and said anyone can put that back together but you need a nerve guy. The best was at the RBH that evening so off I went. Triage nurse was a cock and as I wasn't in any great pain because of the morphine left me on the seats while he went off for a wank. I started feeling it again, wife went up to the nurses who said they couldn't do anything until himself got back from his wank. I just let the bandage loose and spurted blood everywhere. Not cool I know but I was struggling and blood flow was interrupted and bad things were getting near. I was taken inside very quickly and discovered the neuro surgeon throwing a fit for the nurses to find his patient before he looses use of his hand. He saw me and it all happened in an instant. The treatment and care was excellent however that one arsehat nearly caused me bigger mischief. The surgeon told me he raised a formal complaint and the nurse was taken off emergency duties.
 

Flow-Rider

Burner
You are telling me about something completely different than you originally asked, I know how private works, all I'm saying is a private emergency department is a cost to everyone, regardless if you have private or not.

I can go to a private ED and pay $430 to save waiting in a public ED with a chicken bone in my throat, it will cost a top cover private patient exactly the same.

What happens after that is where it changes, the availability to get stuff fixed is nearly immediate when private where public, you join the slow queue.
What I meant to say is that private cover isn't just simply effective for better hospital beds, I already know whether you go to a private ED or private hospital isn't going to be cheap either way. Most of the covers I've seen for private hospitals you need to pay some type of excess to access the policy. I don't know where people are getting that the Ambos won't take you to a private hospital because it's circumstantial on the day. I was involved in a workplace accident 20 years ago and the Ambos took me to a private hospital knowing that it was a work cover claim and the hospital in this case was further away from the public. My experience is that ambos tend to take you into a public system because they are more effective in dealing with the trauma side of things and most people don't have private cover. I'm sure with all the backed-up patients the public system has, if you're not in a critical condition they would be happy to take you to a private hospital if they're not wasting time.

In my case knowing what I know now, I would have gotten someone to drive me in or driven in myself to anywhere but a public hospital. It took more than 15 minutes for a family member to deal with the 000 call, more than 3/4 of an hr for the Ambo's to arrive then they fucked around with the triage service. I could have driven to a local private hospital or ED within 15 minutes, and after I waited for 4hrs at the hospital, they told me there was roughly a 7hr waiting list before me and the majority of people they had called up before me in the queue had gone home in any case.

On top of all this BS, when I asked if I could try a local GP to see if they could do anything rather than waiting 7hrs there, they literally said it wasn't urgent but if the bone dislodged I could die on the spot, and then they're telling me to go drink some fizzy drink as it will help dislodge the bone. As if I'm going to walk around a hospital with a partially blocked airway and look for a fizzy drink dispenser after they tell me if it dislodges it could end my life.

It's no wonder all these anti-govt groups are on the rise in Australia.







) If a person is involved in an accident or emergency and is transported by ambulance, the person may be taken to—

(a) the nearest public hospital; or

(b) another public hospital that a health service chief executive of a Hospital and Health Service under the Hospital and Health Boards Act 2011 has decided is appropriate for the treatment of the person; or

(c) if transport to a hospital mentioned in paragraph (a) or (b) is not practicable—a private hospital; or

(d) if arrangements have been made with a doctor—the doctor’s surgery; or

(e) at the request of the person, or the person’s parent or guardian—

(i) the accident and emergency department of a local private hospital; or

(ii) if a local doctor’s surgery or office has the facilities to receive and treat the person—the surgery or office.

(2) If a person in need of ambulance transport has been seen by a doctor, the person may be taken to a place nominated by the doctor.

(3) Ambulance transport of a person from a hospital or doctor’s surgery to another place of medical care or a private residence may be provided only on the written request of a doctor.

(4) A doctor must not make a nomination under subsection (2), or a request under subsection (3), unless the doctor is satisfied the person can not safely, or reasonably, travel by an alternative form of transport.

(5) Despite subsections (1) and (2), an ambulance officer may transport a person to any place where medical treatment is provided if the officer believes the person needs urgent medical treatment.
 
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ForkinGreat

Knows his Brassica oleracea
So... Apparently being the USA's biatch boy isn't great. Who woulda thunk it?!?!?

Technically, Australia is a client state of the USA. They have military and secret surveillance bases here, we are buying their shitty old subs, they call dibs on cobalt and rare earth mineral deposits, They arrange for unfavourable governments to be deposed. eg the Whitlam Government, and we participate in their shitty wars for resources and influence, and massive infrastructure rebuilding contracts for corporate buddies of whatever administration holds the talking stick at a given time, and supporting Israel in the Israel cluster fuck war crimes situation...etc etc


“Australia must restore a reputation tainted by blindly following America into lethal adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan, and today, via its active and crucial complicity in Isr@el’s deliberate w@r crimes in G@za, East Jerus@lem and the West B@nk.”

Economist and former Greek finance minister Yanis Varoufakis says Australia has “damaged its already wounded reputation … by blindly following America into lethal adventures” in Iraq, Afghanistan and now, in Isr@el’s w@r in the Middle East.

Speaking at the National Press Club on Wednesday, Varoufakis says that reversing the decision to withdraw UNRWA funding “is now too little, too late for the Australian government”



 
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Oddjob

Merry fucking Xmas to you assholes
So... Apparently being the USA's biatch boy isn't great. Who woulda thunk it?!?!?

Technically, Australia is a client state of the USA. They have military and secret surveillance bases here, we are buying their shitty old subs, they call dibs on cobalt and rare earth mineral deposits, They arrange for unfavourable governments to be deposed. eg the Whitlam Government, and we participate in their shitty wars for resources and influence, and massive infrastructure rebuilding contracts for corporate buddies of whatever administration holds the talking stick at a given time, and supporting Israel in the Israel cluster fuck war crimes situation...etc etc


“Australia must restore a reputation tainted by blindly following America into lethal adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan, and today, via its active and crucial complicity in Isr@el’s deliberate w@r crimes in G@za, East Jerus@lem and the West B@nk.”

Economist and former Greek finance minister Yanis Varoufakis says Australia has “damaged its already wounded reputation … by blindly following America into lethal adventures” in Iraq, Afghanistan and now, in Isr@el’s w@r in the Middle East.

Speaking at the National Press Club on Wednesday, Varoufakis says that reversing the decision to withdraw UNRWA funding “is now too little, too late for the Australian government”



Hot tip, don't quote Yanis as an expert source on anything. His time as Greece's finance minister pretty much poisoned his credibility forever.

There are plenty of more credible sources saying pretty similar things.

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ForkinGreat

Knows his Brassica oleracea
Hot tip, don't quote Yanis as an expert source on anything. His time as Greece's finance minister pretty much poisoned his credibility forever.

There are plenty of more credible sources saying pretty similar things.

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There is that. even though he probably couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery, he is not far wrong, if at all, IMO.
Where are the more credible sources? Asking because I CBF searching, as I am all sourced out today. Had enough of searching for extra helpings of grim reality for today, and probable tomorrow as well.
 

fjohn860

Alice in diaperland
lol, that'd be a bit embarrassing!

(Obviously) I don't have kids, but I've never understood why parents would let a kid dictate that - or use it as a wedge against their partner - "Oh but they'd have to move away from all their friends!!!" So what? They'll likely never see them again after school is finished, and (generally) kids will make friends wherever they are. They're too young to know any kind of "lifelong stability" so will just adapt to what they experience. If you want to move, move. Blaming the kids is either piss-weak parenting or a poor excuse.
When my old man got offered 2 shire jobs (one in Hamilton, Vic and the other Gippsland), as a family we spent a week holidaying in both areas to see which one of the 2 we liked more. I was only 2 so no real say in it. But it was a good way to experience both.

Obviously different times these days and holidaying in both areas not necessarily viable in every case.

Thankfully we ended up in Gippsland.
 

Dales Cannon

lightbrain about 4pm
Staff member
It really depends on the kids. My old man moved around a lot. He was a station master with QR and went where he was asked to go, usually to sort out some screw up or other. We lived in 10 different houses by the time I was through high school. Changing schools didn't bother me and apart from all the problems turned out ok. Turned out OK. Turned out OK.
I moved a bit and #1 went to 3 different primary schools and he struggled with it. I/we didn't realise until we settled down and he was at secondary school and saw that stability was important for him. Having said that kids and adults need to adapt if circumstances dictate.
 
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