The election thread - Two middle-late aged white men trying to be blokey and convincing..., same old shit, FFS.
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People are so right when they say that Labor did a poor job selling this project. I've worked in IT for 20 years and obviously IT has a significant reliance on communications infrastructure. I'll go out on a limb here and state that EVERY SINGLE SERVICE/COMPANY/PERSON would benefit from the NBN. Seriously. From the council that pays through the nose for numerous data connections between their offices to the hospital that could talk via VC to doctors and patients everywhere to the shop that could run a more reliable point of sale system. Each and every one of these examples would benefit from NBN. People that say "well my Internet connection is great, this is a waste of money" needs to be firmly and ungently punched in the balls/vagina... their 1 example is not a good statistical sample. People that say "well if you want good Internet should move" need to be firmly and ungently set on fire... relocating is not a guaranteed promise of better Internet performance. This topic really shits me.
pink poodle
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Who gives a fuck for future proofing? One day the NBN Tech will be out dated and need replacing too, so why bother?
let me fix that for you
hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
Optical fibre itself is pretty much future proofed. Advanced optics will continue to sweat the asset.
They don't go laying undersea cable every few years - they just install improved equipment at the end points.
floody
Wheel size expert
Again; so what!
$60 billion? No worries, just pay up and get it done. Even if it was $120 billion, fine, just do it. In the long run, so what!? Price of bloody everything and the value of nothing.
^^ this
Bandwidth and speed is more or less unlimited in fibre, its processing at each end that introduces the slow down. Its far easier and cost effective to invest in the initial network and then update nodes as needed. Wireless is getting faster but the sheer quantity of bandwidth required to service a nation makes it totally ineffective, every street would need its own phone tower if all our data was going through that, and you know how wireless towers communicate with other infrastructure? Yeah, fibre.
Have a look at Stirks speedtest screenshot. Huge amounts of speed, with huge amounts of latency. All the speed in the world doens't matter if each request takes 10 minutes to process, yes you might be able to stream the bachelor in UHD but whats the point if you have to wait 10 minutes for the stream to start?
Knuckles
Lives under a bridge
There is really no logical argument against the original NBN plan. The POS Franken network Rabbit managed to push through, using his standard fare, illogical, scaremongering, however, is another matter all together.
I equate it to the antivaxer nut jobs, "my kid doesn't need vacation, because they're healthy, and there might be some short term issues."
When the current, already almost terminally degraded, copper lines get polio and smallpox, we're fucked, and it is going to be a slow and very expensive fix. Fibre on the other hand, if installed correctly is maintenance free, in fact, trying to apply preventative maintenance is usually going to do more harm than just leaving it lie.
We all know why telstra was against the NBN, and the catalyst for scblack's antitrust laws to be put in place. They have a monopoly on the copper network, which they inherited for free, and thanks to the dirty Mexican and his subsequent replacements, spend zilch maintaining. It's a zero sum game for them, glean income from a monopolised, existing, free asset, or loose market share to, and have to expend capital to access someone else's, much better infrastructure.
#knuckleswasadrunkenchunt
I equate it to the antivaxer nut jobs, "my kid doesn't need vacation, because they're healthy, and there might be some short term issues."
When the current, already almost terminally degraded, copper lines get polio and smallpox, we're fucked, and it is going to be a slow and very expensive fix. Fibre on the other hand, if installed correctly is maintenance free, in fact, trying to apply preventative maintenance is usually going to do more harm than just leaving it lie.
We all know why telstra was against the NBN, and the catalyst for scblack's antitrust laws to be put in place. They have a monopoly on the copper network, which they inherited for free, and thanks to the dirty Mexican and his subsequent replacements, spend zilch maintaining. It's a zero sum game for them, glean income from a monopolised, existing, free asset, or loose market share to, and have to expend capital to access someone else's, much better infrastructure.
#knuckleswasadrunkenchunt
pink poodle
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I'm not buying it. Lucky I'm at the beach just now so I can bury my head in the sand and relive the glory days of dial up!
A lot of the network will end up over HFC (foxtel, telstra and optus cable) now that NBN have agreed to buy those networks off optus and telstra. Still a stop gap to fibre but at the very least it is vastly superior to the copper network.
Knuckles
Lives under a bridge
link1896
Mr Greenfield
Knuckles has nailed it. Unless we repurpose ALL radio spectrum to wireless data communications, wireless is only usefully for the last leg ( say 30-50 meters) to your device, not from the neighbourhoods 4G/5G radio tower. In many residential areas, good old wifi 802.11 is troublesome due to congestion.
Fibre is THE only rational, long term solution. We as a nation will have to do it all again sometime soon (10-20 years) to piss off the copper. There are trials running with 1gbps over copper at 50-80 meters to use copper for the last leg from the node to the house (where the fibre terminates), its like trying to paint the titanic while its sinking.
Fibre is THE only rational, long term solution. We as a nation will have to do it all again sometime soon (10-20 years) to piss off the copper. There are trials running with 1gbps over copper at 50-80 meters to use copper for the last leg from the node to the house (where the fibre terminates), its like trying to paint the titanic while its sinking.
Mate Im investing in a carrier pigeon flock. Itll be the quickest way to send information around the city.
No it won't. Turns out that Optus milked the fuck out of that asset and now it's not fit for purpose. So anywhere (i.e. of course where I live) that only had Optus HFC but not Telstra is now getting FTTN. So it's it's even more of a lose-lose situation.... i.e. that sure we weren't getting FTTP but we would be getting DOCSIS 3.1 HFC but then that's not economically feasible so now we're getting shitty FTTN. The actual percentage getting HFC is less than 20% now. All that work for so very little gain.
Got a link? AFAIK the trial of the HFC NBN that is happening in QLD is on re purposed optus cable...
pink poodle
気が狂っている男
Listen to all you sinners! All you care about is watching faster pornography, at my expense. Shame!!! You wasteful people, think of all those sacred little wrigglers you're wasting. I know a song about this and I would type the lyrics here to warm you, but you're all probably too blind to read it.
Rev. Tony was right! You bunch of lefty jerk offs.
Rev. Tony was right! You bunch of lefty jerk offs.
yeah, the trial that was deemed a success despite only having a head count of about 20 and not being able to deliver 100/40 as desired. NBN Co aren't actually coming right out with it but this is close enough http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/605769/nbn-cools-hfc-amid-cost-increase/. Effectively the Optus cable was a thinner type and their entire infrastructure was EOL quite some time back. The cost to rebuild is higher than both FTTP and FTTN purely from a CAPEX point of view and of course that's not considering the operating cost. Basically Optus' network is a turd sandwich on that horrible brown bread no-one likes.
FFS!
Oh well, my optus cable is great atm (if you ever want great internet speeds, move into a neighbourhood full of retirees) Just one more thing i need to be aware of when I move.
Beej1
Senior Member
Indeed - not many internet active folk on my Optus Cable street. But I'd like a little more than 2Mbps upload ... sharing vids of the toddler with the grandparents is painfully slow.
Here is my NBN stats at work. I totally overlooked stirks Woolongong friend's latency when commenting earlier. 52ms is indeed quite slow.
Fibre to the premises pretty damn impressive. I'd be happy with a fifth of that upload speed at home.
fimpBIKES
Likes Dirt
Hence my anger about getting wifi compromise just for living in a regional area (not remote btw, im only 50km from the cbd of the countries 7th largest city),
I get no paved road, no town water or gas! if only I could pay a smaller regional tax rate...
as this is the election thread I just want to point out that NOBODY in the last federal election was going to give me a decent internet connection in the future
Its a shame as I am looking at running a technology based start-up from home, there was a lot of talk/bullshit about STE(A)M and innovation at the last election but nobody actually followed through in a way which would help out my situation