TAS ""The Lea" DH Track - Kingston TAS (update 16/8)

nathanm

Eats Squid
In the process of fixing up a local DH track. What was once an enjoyable beginner friendly track that had nearly 100 racers has become a rutted, rocky horrible mess that no-one wants to ride.

One of the major priorities is to first fix the drainage. Being quickly constructed in the beginning the track does not use the slope well and often follows fall lines causing water to pool.

Will post pics of progress as it goes. However happy to take some feedback and advice on how to fix each section up as pictures are posted. Firstly what's the best approach to fixing the following drainage issues as you can see the below result after around 16mm of rain over 3-4 days. Being a DH track the berms and braking ruts are filling with water.

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This is a separate challenging section it's a steep straight run down some rock slabs into a slight right turn. There's a huge rock in the middle meaning the water and riders are forced left or right. Easiest option is to take the low side which has created a stall point. Idea is to pretty much remove all the rocks bench it out into a small rolling crown style turn or maybe a small hip berm. Will see what happens when we start smoothing. Photo's don't do them justice but the rocks are around 50+ kgs each.

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dcrofty

Eats Squid
I actually have to say that's not too far gone, at least you haven't had a foot or two of dirt eroded out of the guts of the trail.

need to get the water off the track in as many places as possible. In some parts there is an outer lip that's been formed that's retaining water, that needs to be shaved off and the surface of the trail graded evenly from the high side to the low side so water is shed off the track.

Otherwise what the Cat said, drains and lots of them. Make them shallow and long so water doesn't get too much speed and erode them and leaves and stuff can't clog them up.
 

nathanm

Eats Squid
Cheers guys, some really valuable info there.

We should be able to use reverse gradients in the open trails and most likely use "TheCat's" drains in the berms.

We've put in some landscape style open french drains in the top and they seem to be going okay. Any issues long term with using open blue metal in shallow drains? Obviously we'll lose some being spread by riders but the small 6mm stuff should pack down I'm hoping?
 

outtacontrol

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Whenever you have fall line trails, you will always have erosion problems. You have to come up with strategies to get the water off the track. Slight reverse grades work well and can create cool pump sections. The water will need to be able to drain from the low point of the reverse grade, usually by outsloping to one side.

Another trick on straight fall line runs is to create small gaps. They are fun to jump and the gap becomes the drain. As the water flows down the trail it is stopped by the gap and drains away. It is best to create a rock armoured lip to prevent erosion.

Good luck
 

dcrofty

Eats Squid
Any issues long term with using open blue metal in shallow drains?
In my experience any material added to drains with an idea that water will flow through it silts up in no time and is pretty much the same as filling it with dirt.

judging by your photos you have lots of awesome rocks there. Have you considered rock armouring (essentially paving) some of the wetter sections? Since its a DH track you could resist the urge that some people have to make their paving super neat (roman road style) and make it deliberately rough but it can be used to elevate the track in some sections and also armour and protect some sections that are fall line that you can't avoid.
 

bikesarefun

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I find the best approach in cases like that is:

1) Dig a drain on the uphill edge of the track. Camber the track onto the drain. That way, water running downhill won't reach the track, or will run off the track into the drain .

2) Continue the drain to a point where it would have to either cross the track or go uphill (often alongside a berm).

3) Dig a low point (kind of a little swimming pool) on the uphill edge of the track. This is easiest where there's a berm - you can use the dirt to build up the berm.

4) Run a drain pipe (ag line is rad) from the low point, under the track, and out the other side. Can be hard work, but good trails are hard work.
 

abevern

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+1 rock armouring
We've had good results with it both to elevate the trail above a wet section and also to prevent braking rutts forming. we have to barrow ours in - would be awesome to have them all over the trail.
Ditto what others have said re shedding water. Think about getting it off the trail at several places before the problem points. Grade reversals and Knicks are great methods to do this and can be made resistant to clogging and wear if done properly.
 

nathanm

Eats Squid
Thanks guys, some really great idea's there to reinforce my thinking and give me some new ideas.

The issue's we face are that the surface is moderate clay so doesn't drain for poo. Also the tracks in prep for a race in 3 months so were really under the pump.

We've got to fix pretty much the whole track within this time so it'll be a matter of prioritising. Essentially we'll be taking the least time consuming option whilst still making sure all repairs are as sustainable as possible.

Doing some work this Saturday so will post up some more pics.
 

Ridenparadise

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I hope this is practical advice as the suggestions work here. There may be a lot, because you have a lot of work to do. Also some of the advice will conflict with resources like IMBA, but you have terrain similar to ours and we gets lots of rain. Don't let people ride things unless it's you to check lines until you can re-tamp everything after a rain. Comments are posted by each pic

In the process of fixing up a local DH track. What was once an enjoyable beginner friendly track that had nearly 100 racers has become a rutted, rocky horrible mess that no-one wants to ride.

One of the major priorities is to first fix the drainage. Being quickly constructed in the beginning the track does not use the slope well and often follows fall lines causing water to pool.

Will post pics of progress as it goes. However happy to take some feedback and advice on how to fix each section up as pictures are posted. Firstly what's the best approach to fixing the following drainage issues as you can see the below result after around 16mm of rain over 3-4 days. Being a DH track the berms and braking ruts are filling with water.

View attachment 241150The water is running along the trail, eroding between the rocks and probably pooling in the berm. Slope is right to left. First make a drain before the berm diagonally from the uphill right side to downhill left side of the trail. Make it wide and shallow enough (a reverse grade rather than a drain) and far enough from the point riders will reach maximum lean that it is a fun entry into the berm rather than a threat. It must get all water coming down the trail off even in a deluge. You have huge rocks. With luck the drain/reverse grade can be started by removing a line of them and then shallowing everything out. In the pic you can see a few in the immediate foreground that fit the bill. They are probably too close to the berm to use though. Consider a drain that is narrower on the upslope and wider as it gets more downslope. It's easier to keep it shallow and even. After we shape the soil in the drain we add 5-20cm stones, lots of them and hammer them into the ground. Going back after the next rain and adding more helps. You will be able to harvest them on and near the trail. We use a sledgehammer and a major league tamping tool called Richter that weighs 8kg+ to achieve an armoured surface in the drain. Excellent grip for tyres and water sheets over the surface easily.

Next dig out the inside of the berm and save all the rocks. Be generous and dig fairly deep and wide so that you make a new berm out of solid base. Use the excavated rocks and soil to rebuild the rim of the new berm by adding fill over the existing large rocks. This will end up higher than the riding line, but you need that for riders to feel secure. It will shrink a lot so be generous and tamp a lot as well. Try to save all the grasses so they can grow through the back of the new berm and help stabilise it more (this little berm is not the best example of saving vegetation). Also try to harvest out stones the size you can use for that drain (so doing this bit "next" is relative). What you want is a new deeper berm using base - same radius, just a little more uphill. Yes they'll say it will pool more water, but that's wrong if your pre-berm drain works, you make sure the berm continues to go downhill and you also make water drain off immediately after the berm ends via another drain as above. Riders will exit the new berm upslope of the old one allowing you to make that drain away from the new riding line.


View attachment 241151Right to left slope. You have a serious rock garden in the midground. Try to make 2 lines through it. Faster line to lookers left and beginner line to lookers right. The beginner line can be smoothed with smaller rocks and maybe some soil. Aim to exit both lines to the upslope (lookers right). Outslope the entire area from the rock garden to the foreground. When you expose rocks doing this, do not remove them, but hammer them back into the base. It will harden the trail and should always be the preferred way to manage exposed stones including in berms. Removing stones where tyres and water flow always leads to more exposed stones and ruts. Armouring the surface with stone as above, especially on the upslope side of the trail will provide more durability. Water should sheet off with riders being upslope of the current line and a new rut should not form. Trim back the vegetation to encourage riders to see the new line: eg the thin stuff up to 2m wide of the trail in the right foreground of the pic as well as the stuff upslope before the rock garden. That will change the trail from a straight line to right left right swerves with the rights being drainages and the left being a rock garden highpoint. You can choose to save the big downslope edge rocks in the foreground as visual clues too. Uptrail of the rock garden you could use an anti-IMBA technique and place a large log lookers left of the trail and fill small stone in to the log to create an elevated trail. If you can maintain a gentle outslope it definitely will accumulate water and silt. Sounds bad, but it will harden over time, add a visual clue to the line into the rock garden if placed well and as it leads to a high point, after it hardens water will flow along the log back to the nearest dip in the grade (ie before the log). Never use this technique over soft ground like in the next pic. It only works on rocky tread.

View attachment 241152Right to left slope. Create a long and gentle reverse grade right through this section with significant outslope. Widen the trail a little to encourage a slightly upslope line and again armour the surface with small hammered-in stone as above. You may have to create a more seriously armoured drain in the middle where it looks like surface water flows fast. Here the trail changes from a right left right swerve to a longer gentle right bend with a gentle reverse grade in it.

View attachment 241154Right to left slope. Not an easy pic to interpret. Start by creating a big diagonal reverse grade drain in the wettest area near all the stones before the stringybark gums in the midground and severely tamp the "berm" so water can flow past it and drain off lookers left before the jump where you will probably have to make a new reverse grade drain. After that watch and see what happens. This bit looks like it is coping OK.

View attachment 241153Slam the left surface down to create a long right to left outslope and get the water off the trail by sheeting it before it reaches the jump. I'll post a pic of Richter at the end.

View attachment 241155I am guessing you have to turn this into an armoured berm, but the radius is all over the place and the sapling and general vegetation makes that line hard to see from the pic.

This is a separate challenging section it's a steep straight run down some rock slabs into a slight right turn. There's a huge rock in the middle meaning the water and riders are forced left or right. Easiest option is to take the low side which has created a stall point. Idea is to pretty much remove all the rocks bench it out into a small rolling crown style turn or maybe a small hip berm. Will see what happens when we start smoothing. Photo's don't do them justice but the rocks are around 50+ kgs each.

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You have taken out the big rocks already. Make sure you fill in the holes with lots of stone and bash it in over and over as you go. Tamp in all the surface stones and just see what happens as riders find the new lines. Then you can sort what needs doing in the long run.
 
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Ridenparadise

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Sorry, forgot to post Richter and here's a bad example of a stone hammered drain. They can be quite large - this is a little one but stone is hammered in 20cm+ all through.

Richter is 3 layers of 6mm steel with 2 of 8mm rubber between. Steel handle filled with expanding foam. He turns damp ground and stones into jelly that hardens like concrete. Also turns shoulders into lactic and grown men into whimpering girls.

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nathanm

Eats Squid
Good crew of 7 blokes turned out today to do some trail work.

This is the top section of the track. We had an issue with water coursing down the track, initially though that it was following the trail but after checking on it several times this week we found the water actually was sheeting down from the 4wd trail adjacent the track. We pretty much had a small creek running down the track, round the jump and down the trail as pictured.







The photo's crap but what we did today is dug a trench across the face of the 4wd track and filled it with blue metal to drain water away from the track. Also dug a few trenches further down the track to empty puddles before they flowed down. We then dug and raked out the entry to the jump to reverse the gradient and added a small trench on the inside just to capture any last water. Finally we extended the jump all the way across the track to prevent further water coursing down and laid imported gravel over the top to pack it down and add strength to the lip.

After lunch we came back and had a look. the residual water was already sheeting down to the low point and off the track so looks like a big win :clap2:





In the arvo I headed up the bottom of the track to check the wet spots :eyebrows:. Gladly all the puddles and running water has dried up. However I still wanted to put a drain in where a creek (runs during high rain) across the track. Dug a deepish trench across the water point and added some 90mm piping. I then added rocks to the entry and exit of the pipe to prevent erosion and laid rock over the top and mounded slightly. Apologies for photo forgot to take the camera up.


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nathanm

Eats Squid
I actually have to say that's not too far gone, at least you haven't had a foot or two of dirt eroded out of the guts of the trail.
What, like this :Cry:

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Pics to come soon, however this section was too far gone. Drainage issue's were that water was sheeting, down the track from the berm I was standing on, and also sideways from the slope. Pretty much water was coming from fuggin everywhere.

I've dug in two drains above the berm, two drains into the rut plus the existing drain at the bottom of the section already. With the water now finally being diverted away to stop the rut eroding wider/deeper I'm putting in a nice little deck just above it.
 

nathanm

Eats Squid
run out of timber unfortunately


Drainage


View from kicker at end


Foreman gives it her stamp of approval
 

nathanm

Eats Squid
about 14 hours of work but I'm finished. Question though: How important is putting chicken wire on the surface? It's a combination of hardwood and treated pine. I wouldn't imagine it'll stay wet or attract moss, but is the dirt being pulled onto it make it so slippery it'll need something extra to grip?

Completed section. Added some gravel to the start to prevent too much mud being dragged onto the deck and left a small 10mm gap between the dirt and the first timber plank to allow water to continue to drain under the structure

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Added a roll down for a "B" Line. Might need to steepen it a bit as I'm a little concerned that riders might hit it if they come up short on the jump.

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dcrofty

Eats Squid
What, like this :Cry:
I still maintain that's not too bad, its repairable anyway. I reckon if you get the water off that in a few spots and patch the deepest bits a bit it will come up pretty sweet.

From my experience I wouldn't worry about chicken wire on the boards, it doesn't really help with grip and can turn the surface into a cheese grater if you come off on it. Also in a while it will rust and then even gentle braking will tear the guts out of it and your woodwork will be covered in rusty wire sticking up. Notch or crosshatch the wood with a chainsaw if you really feel the need but otherwise just stay off the brakes:)
 

dcrofty

Eats Squid
Oh yeah, if you do aim to put more culverts in and have any chance of getting a larger diameter pipe then take it. It is amazing how a couple of leafs and sticks can block a narrow diameter pipe and nothing is more frustrating than digging your ass off to install culverts and then constantly having to unblock the entrances.

Another important point relating to culverts in general is to ensure you have enough fall on your pipes to ensure that they self clean sediment out as the water flows through but from the photo you posted you are pretty on top of that. The one you showed looked pretty good.
 
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