Trump..... (The Sophistry Thread)

moorey

call me Mia
It won't affect us in any way that watching will change. Sanders is a millionaire with multiple property holdings. I doubt his sincerity.
You’ve been fed a lie, sorry.
He’s actually one of the poorest in senior US politics and has worked his ass off for 40+ years.
His net worth is around $2m. That takes into account assets. Shit, half of Farkin are worth that.
Look at his record on civil rights, equality, minimum wage and social security and health care. He’s been fighting the cause for 40 years. It’s only become fashionable in about the last 5.
He is the ONLY one who never resorts to personal attacks of his adversaries. He may fight their ideas and policies to the death, but not on a personal level.
I can’t/won’t defend many politicians, but I think you’re wrong about Bernie.
 

FigBo0T

Puts verniers on his headtube
You’ve been fed a lie, sorry.
He’s actually one of the poorest in senior US politics and has worked his ass off for 40+ years.
His net worth is around $2m. That takes into account assets. Shit, half of Farkin are worth that.
Look at his record on civil rights, equality, minimum wage and social security and health care. He’s been fighting the cause for 40 years. It’s only become fashionable in about the last 5.
He is the ONLY one who never resorts to personal attacks of his adversaries. He may fight their ideas and policies to the death, but not on a personal level.
I can’t/won’t defend many politicians, but I think you’re wrong about Bernie.
Where's the lie though? If you own 2M worth of stuff, you're a millionaire. I'm very cynical. I'm also very socialist minded.
Bernie, AOC and the others over there spruiking "socialism" are literally champagne socialists. Their ideals don't extend to themselves. Bernie may be less guilty than the rest, but the man has never had a job. I have no faith in him at all.
 

moorey

call me Mia
Where's the lie though? If you own 2M worth of stuff, you're a millionaire. I'm very cynical. I'm also very socialist minded.
Bernie, AOC and the others over there spruiking "socialism" are literally champagne socialists. Their ideals don't extend to themselves. Bernie may be less guilty than the rest, but the man has never had a job. I have no faith in him at all.
If you take my house and land into account, I’m probably a millionaire, but working full time to barely scrape by.
You really obviously know nothing about AOC other than what you’ve read on conservative media sites.
Also, you don’t have to be destitute to care about others wellbeing. It sure gives you more perspective to have come from adversity or a minority background.

Wait...Bernie has never had a job? You don’t call politics a job? He’s the longest serving independent in history. You might not like politics, but it’s a necessary evil. Did you go to school? Use a hospital? Drive on a road? Require police/fire/ambulance? Libertarian are the cockheads. They want all the benefits of society and government, but not to have to follow their laws (Gross simplification, but basically holds)
 

FigBo0T

Puts verniers on his headtube
what you’ve read on conservative media sites.
Why assume? It's pointless, and you build paragraphs from it. This is why I don't bother with politics. Nobody can play in good faith. It's also why I do play. Because people need to check themselves, and rarely do.

No, I don't consider a lifetime of living off the taxpayer, while acquiring millions in assets, as being a meaningful or justifiable existence. That is not how socialism works mate.
 

Haakon

Keeps on digging
Why assume? It's pointless, and you build paragraphs from it. This is why I don't bother with politics. Nobody can play in good faith. It's also why I do play. Because people need to check themselves, and rarely do.

No, I don't consider a lifetime of living off the taxpayer, while acquiring millions in assets, as being a meaningful or justifiable existence. That is not how socialism works mate.
Please to be fucking off with the “living off the taxpayers” bullshit... Otherwise apply it to cops and ambos and road builders etc.
 

rowdyflat

chez le médecin
1.Half of Australia is living off the taxpayer eg army, politicians ,police , doctors , all the health sector,education sector , justice , NDIS + all disabled , Centrelink,Tax Office .diesel subsidies for mining ,all the OH+S sector , all public servants ,pensioners , all local government, most water authorities on + on =thats how a modern post industrial economy sort of works .
2.Half of Australia including me are millionaires cos if you sold your house and business and lived in a caravan and didnt work you would have a million dollars.
Thats the consequence of having a crazy housing boom , laundered Chinese money buying houses, unfair super rules and excess city immigration . I live in a rural area and everyday boomers who have sold their shack in Melb or Sydney push up local land and houses.
 
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FigBo0T

Puts verniers on his headtube
Please to be fucking off with the “living off the taxpayers” bullshit... Otherwise apply it to cops and ambos and road builders etc.
Did I touch a nerve? Those people work. I'm talking about the guy who wants everyone to embrace socialism. You quoted my words, but don't seem to notice them. "good faith"
 

rowdyflat

chez le médecin
Also, you don’t have to be destitute to care about others wellbeing.
Agree ++, sure billionaires are usually egotists and sociopaths avoiding taxes, ignoring social justice and environmental consequences of their actions .
 

Haakon

Keeps on digging
Did I touch a nerve? Those people work. I'm talking about the guy who wants everyone to embrace socialism. You quoted my words, but don't seem to notice them. "good faith"
Ok. Good faith also involves not parroting fuckwit sky news shite about socialism.

Absolutely no fucking one in Australia or the US is advocating socialism... ffs...

We want democracy. You know, that funny idea where everyone gets a fair go and the country is run for the benefit of the country?
 

FigBo0T

Puts verniers on his headtube
Ok. Good faith also involves not parroting fuckwit sky news shite about socialism.

Absolutely no fucking one in Australia or the US is advocating socialism... ffs...

We want democracy. You know, that funny idea where everyone gets a fair go and the country is run for the benefit of the country?
You have a lot of vitriol for someone with his foot permanently jammed in his mouth.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bernie+socialism&t=ffnt&iax=videos&ia=videos take your pick of favourable (not Sky) news sources.

How about you fuck off, and take your high horse with you.
 

Haakon

Keeps on digging
You have a lot of vitriol for someone with his foot permanently jammed in his mouth.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bernie+socialism&t=ffnt&iax=videos&ia=videos take your pick of favourable (not Sky) news sources.

How about you fuck off, and take your high horse with you.

You have a lot of vitriol for someone with his foot permanently jammed in his mouth.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bernie+socialism&t=ffnt&iax=videos&ia=videos take your pick of favourable (not Sky) news sources.

How about you fuck off, and take your high horse with you.
Right. Did you read those links?
 

Haakon

Keeps on digging
The link is to a list of videos. Thanks for playing.
and a long list of articles below it...

Meh, whatever. The right wingers and libertarian cunts have largely won. As evidenced by the fucked planet and increasing inequality. But hey, we honour sportsball peeps in our national day celebrations, so fucking great hey?

Hopefully I’ll be dead by the time it really kicks off.
 

moorey

call me Mia
Why assume? It's pointless, and you build paragraphs from it. This is why I don't bother with politics. Nobody can play in good faith. It's also why I do play. Because people need to check themselves, and rarely do.

No, I don't consider a lifetime of living off the taxpayer, while acquiring millions in assets, as being a meaningful or justifiable existence. That is not how socialism works mate.
  1. He’s not a socialist.
  2. Would you rather have zero people in politics with a conscience? You actually advocate for no government? Doesn’t work. People and private corporations don’t/can’t provide infrastructure.
  3. Wikipedia is a pretty balanced, if not conservative source, but I urge you to take 10 minutes to read through his life’s work. Bernie probably works as many hours per week as you and I combined. You may not consider it work, but I guarantee that neither you or I could/would do his job.
 

Haakon

Keeps on digging
I think having a pedophile apologist honoured in the Australia Day nonsense kinda sealed it for me... This country is done.
 
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