Thanks for the answers.
All those 'added' costs of time are definite killers and is one of the main reasons I got my surly and didn't bother with building one from scratch.
Also just a bit of a vent about people trackstanding at lights. I'm currently waiting at the tram stop for my girl and a guy pulled up before and got into a track stand. He held it for a good 10seconds then he turned his bars the opposite way, rolled forward a bit then proceeded to creep further and further trying to hold this stand. By the time the lights changed he was a good 3 metres past the line he may as well just run the red.
Is it really a crime to put ur foot down at the lights, especially when ur flop of a track stand is more dangerous that running this particular red?
Ill hold a track stand at the lights if I get onto a good one, but I usually buckle under the pressure and unclip.
A real cute girl on an even nicer vintage road bike with flat bars also road past. Didn't see what it was, but it was orange. Haha that's all