Anyone riding or racing on beta blockers?

carpetrunner

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Dear Cardiac Team,

About 20 months back I had a problem that resulted in a stent, ACE inhibitors and Beta Blockers.

I'm back into reasonable intensity on bunch road rides and have done a few hard dirt rides but haven't had the guts to have a go at XC racing again.

Is anyone else riding or racing XC on Beta Blockers? What's your experience?

- carpetrunner
 

slippy

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If you were put on beta blockers to lower your blood pressure (and hence the workload of your heart) after a heart attack, then you may have recovered enough now that the need for beta blockers could be reviewed.

If however you were put on beta blockers to reduce the frequency of tachyarrhythmias (abnormal runs of fast heart rhythms) then you may have to suck it up and not push yourself so hard.

Either way, the correct person to advise you will be your cardiologist. An exercise stress test / stress echo may prove useful to test the need for beta blockers and reassure you about your safety to exercise after stenting.
 
I don't have a stent, but I'm on Beta Blockers (Tenormin) because I have a heart murmur and slightly enlarged aorta. I have otherwise completely normal blood pressure. Which means, the tablets reduce my blood pressure to very low levels, which never seems to affect me. On rides, however, I can get quite short of breath to start with, but it levels out once I warm up.

That probably isn't very helpful in your context, and I don't know whether my shortness of breath is a result of my murmur or the drugs or both.
 

pharmaboy

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If you were put on beta blockers to lower your blood pressure (and hence the workload of your heart) after a heart attack, then you may have recovered enough now that the need for beta blockers could be reviewed.

If however you were put on beta blockers to reduce the frequency of tachyarrhythmias (abnormal runs of fast heart rhythms) then you may have to suck it up and not push yourself so hard.

Either way, the correct person to advise you will be your cardiologist. An exercise stress test / stress echo may prove useful to test the need for beta blockers and reassure you about your safety to exercise after stenting.
Slippy is on the money. Really try hard to get a cardiolologist who has an interest in athletes - preferably under 50 years old as well, then learn exactly why and what evidence is driving the beta blocker use.
 

CharlieDontSurf

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I don't have a stent, but I'm on Beta Blockers (Tenormin) because I have a heart murmur and slightly enlarged aorta. I have otherwise completely normal blood pressure. Which means, the tablets reduce my blood pressure to very low levels, which never seems to affect me. On rides, however, I can get quite short of breath to start with, but it levels out once I warm up.

That probably isn't very helpful in your context, and I don't know whether my shortness of breath is a result of my murmur or the drugs or both.
Your shortness of breath initially could be due to the beta blocker preventing you from compensating for the increase in oxygen demand from exercising ( your HR cannot increase or your heart beat as hard as effectively as someone not on Beta blocker)

Definitely seek advise from a cardiologist if returning to exercise post PCI (stent). If you had a heart attack ( STEMI or NONSTEMI) SAAB treatment (statin,aspirin,ace inhibitors and beta blockers) is a common treatment therapy to reduce chance of the coronary artery re blocking and improve survival. Ride with mates too
 
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slippy

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The statin and the aspirin will help prevent re-blockage. The ace inhibitor and the beta blocker are more about giving your heart muscle a rest.

As for murmurs, a murmur is a sound, nothing more. It depends entirely on what is causing the sound as to whether it's significant. Most murmurs are caused by small leaks in valves (regurgitation), around 75% of the population has a small leak in a valve somewhere and it will not cause you any symptoms or problems. Occasionally the leak may be big enough to cause a problem and the most common symptom is breathlessness on exertion, but a lot of other things can cause that too so don't jump the gun here. The other main cause is a valve that doesn't open wide enough (stenosis). Agajn, not usually a problem unless it's quite advanced, more common in the elderly but not impossible in a young person if you were born with an abnormality or exposed to rheumatic fever for example. Lastly, there are a few more exotic causes like septal defects (holes in the heart) which are rarer and usually require specialised care so you'd know about that if it was the case (unless it's a patent foramen ovale which is very common but doesn't cause a murmur).
 
My murmur is caused by a leaky valve, so I guess my shortness of breath is just caused by that blood not being able to shuttle around as quickly as I need it. But as I said, my breath gets a lot better as I warm into the ride.
 

carpetrunner

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If you were put on beta blockers to lower your blood pressure (and hence the workload of your heart) after a heart attack, then you may have recovered enough now that the need for beta blockers could be reviewed.

If however you were put on beta blockers to reduce the frequency of tachyarrhythmias (abnormal runs of fast heart rhythms) then you may have to suck it up and not push yourself so hard.
Yes I was put on beta blockers to lower BP after a heart attack. Although the main event was while riding at reasonable stick, there is evidence in my heart rate and power logs that something happened after an off on the XC bike a week earlier - possibly dislodged a clot that didn't cause problems until later.

There could be some AF after >4 hrs of good pace riding and then only if I'm stupid enough to let my electrolytes get out of wack - little hope of finding that in a stress test, maybe I could find it with a holter.

My cardiologist said that he was comfortable to let me regulate my own exercise as I was "covered" by the beta blockers - the beta blockers are there to stop me from riding too hard.

My cardiologist has admitted that I am nothing like his normal patients and he does not really know much about aerobic exercise and nothing about cycling :(
I got even more depressed when I had a look at my powerlogs before and now - my CP has dropped from 310w down to 232w

So, I'm interested in hearing about other experiences - particularly experiences with other cardiologists and if anyone has ever been weened off beta blockers or is this a one way journey?

- carpetrunner
 

Mike95

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Ive just recently been prescribed calcium channel blockers from my cardiologist.
Have been on them for about 3 weeks, so I feel my body is just starting to used to them & the initial side effects are starting to go away.

I can sympathize with you & find myself in a very similar situation, although a different heart condition.

I began suffering a few bouts of sudden onset rapid heart beat while cycling . Started around mid 2013, didn’t know what the fuck it was at the time,
But after some of my own research & talking with friends & family it seemed like tachycardia. Bouts would come & go, sometimes id be episode
Free for a few months, then bam, id get a few in a week. I learnt the vagal maneuvers which most of the time helped bring my HR back to normal after a few minutes,
But 95% of time I had to stop cycling, get off the bike, sit down to have the vagal maneuver to work, & bring my HR back to normal rhythm.

My symptoms became more frequent towards the ned of 2015, so I finally sought advice from a cardiologist.
After my initial consult, describing my symptoms in detail, my cardiologist was fairly certain I was suffering from ( SVT ), supra ventricular tachycardia.
Had all the tests done, 24 hr holter monitor, but as would have it I didn’t have an episode. My cardiologist advised me to get a http://www.alivecor.com/home
Which is a mobile ECG recorder for your smart phone. With this device I was able to capture numerous bouts of sudden onset rapid heart beat, & email them to my cardiologist.
With this, I was diagnosed with supra ventricular tachycardia in January 2016.

Thru 2014, 2015 I was regularly racing XC, as well as a little cyclocross, & some crit racing, racing at A grade club level, & always racing for the win, podium etc.
I was training about 15 hours a week on the bike, totaling around 450-500kms a week, 20k for the year.
For many, they would consider this over training, but for me & my group of cycling peers its what we do & considered normal, what you have to do to be at the pointy end of racing & I didn’t feel like I was in constant fatigue.

Since my diagnosis I’ve reduced the training somewhat, & have avoided going beyond threshold into the anaerobic V02 max HR zones, while I gauge how the calcium channel blockers effect me.
Im also not racing, but am hopeful that ill be back racing in the not to distant future.

Its been a roller coaster of emotions, but my cardiologist is also of the view that my condition is manageable & I don’t have to completely give up on racing at this point. Just back it off for a little while & begin
Treatment of low does calcium channel blockers, see how that goes. Also considering catheter ablation which is another treatment option.

Im taking a somewhat holistic approach to treating my SVT, & am making quite a few lifestyle & diet changes, along with the low dose of calcium channel blockers.
Eg, reducing caffeine intake, avoiding any foods which contain additives or preservatives, anything that is processed, no sulphites, msg etc that is hidden in so many foods, I'm drinking coconut water daily for natural electrolytes, magnesium supplements, plus cutting out alcohol ( I’m not a heavy drinker at all, but enjoy a beer on the weekend ).
My training volume has reduced by approx 40% for the moment, so down to around 8-9 hours per week, 300kms, 100km of that is just commuting, so its a big change to what I’ve been doing the last 3-4 years.

PM me if you want details of my cardiologist. He is in Sydney’s East, & is also a cyclist.
Also note that my cardiologist didn’t want to put me on beta blockers as it would be to detrimental to my cycling performance, & is of the opinion that the calcium channel blockers would have less of an effect on my cycling performance, but since being on the heart meds there has been a definite drop in performance, but I haven’t quantified this with an ftp test to see just how much. Really don’t want to know haha.

good luck carpetrunner with your journey.
 
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k3n!f

leaking out the other end
Yes I was put on beta blockers to lower BP after a heart attack. Although the main event was while riding at reasonable stick, there is evidence in my heart rate and power logs that something happened after an off on the XC bike a week earlier - possibly dislodged a clot that didn't cause problems until later.

There could be some AF after >4 hrs of good pace riding and then only if I'm stupid enough to let my electrolytes get out of wack - little hope of finding that in a stress test, maybe I could find it with a holter.

My cardiologist said that he was comfortable to let me regulate my own exercise as I was "covered" by the beta blockers - the beta blockers are there to stop me from riding too hard.

My cardiologist has admitted that I am nothing like his normal patients and he does not really know much about aerobic exercise and nothing about cycling :(
I got even more depressed when I had a look at my powerlogs before and now - my CP has dropped from 310w down to 232w

So, I'm interested in hearing about other experiences - particularly experiences with other cardiologists and if anyone has ever been weened off beta blockers or is this a one way journey?

- carpetrunner
You ask a very difficult question which is probably beyond the pay grade of an online forum. The effect of beta blockers are probably reduced since the invention of stenting, but they previously showed improvements in both short term and long term mortality. They are still recommended in current guidelines. If you think you are also getting AF then it is probably a good idea to continue them.

That being said, if it is a quality of life issue based on you're ability to ride bikes fast I suggest you discuss it further with your Cardiologist or find a Cardiologist who does mad skids.
 
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