Good grief no. How do you make that statement when the two products are so different? And we're having this discussion 11 years on? If you're going to hate iSi delivering exactly what people ask for then choose good reason to.So you're saying Gripsport copied your design?
If you look at both, they are different designs of the same concept. By your logic, every bicycle, car, oven, computer, smart phone (well okay, maybe these), lunchbox, BBQ, thermos, aircraft, pen, etc, since the very first one is a copyright infringement.So you're saying Gripsport copied your design?
There are so many different brands of light boards out there so what we do instead is to make it easy for iSi customers to fit any one of those on the back of the carrier. Some hang them off the rear wheel support beam and others use a pair of our licence plate holders to bolt the light boards to. In Europe where we export a good number of Extreme Duty and 4x4x4 off-road carriers, light boards are mandatory regardless of whether lights are visible through the bicycle wheels. It also allows iSi bicycle carrier customers to fit low cost light boards for highway use.G'Day George. In the pics (back of Prado) you posted you seem to have a fairly well sorted number plate/lights set up for attachment to the back of the rack. I have not yet been able to find this on your site. Was this a custom job? Do you make and supply these? Could you please post a link if so. I think I might've seen something in the available extras drop down but not much more than that.
It's a simple question, that I don't know the answer to.If you look at both, they are different designs of the same concept. By your logic, every bicycle, car, oven, computer, smart phone (well okay, maybe these), lunchbox, BBQ, thermos, aircraft, pen, etc, since the very first one is a copyright infringement.
From this quote, I take it that ISI designed this concept before gripsport?.. or not? What is it?... get the chickens and eggs lined up properly.
I first used a loop wheel support cradle on a bicycle carrier I built for personal use in 1979. I reckon a hoop goes back to the 1800s. It's not rocket science.I'm interested to see where this wheel holding concept, as you call it, originated from.
Have you got a hoop tree that goes back that far? That'd be genuinely cool to look at.I first used a loop wheel support cradle on a bicycle carrier I built for personal use in 1979. I reckon a hoop goes back to the 1800s.
Quote myself given I'm on the topic still (gotta be a first for everything)I have an Isi 2 and a 4, both off road.
For 4 bikes, I think in retrospect I'd get roof racks for 2 bikes and just run a 2x ISI on the rear. Mainly because 4 bikes is rare, 2 is really common, and the 4 bike carrier is pretty heavy and really a thing for a male, my wife won't tackle it, but she'll happily fit the 2 X one.
Edit, keep in mind I haven't tried the modular version - who knows , maybe I'll sell what I have and get the modular one
I think you nailed it there Pharma. With all of the adjustments available plus bike order, plus direction for each bike, it's sometimes like a big game of tetris. When it's all sorted then it's dead easy to deploy the bikes - which is what the product is designed to do. On the carriers that we use at home I have the wheel support tubes marked with the positions of each bike to speed up swapping it all around. That really helps.there are quite a lot of configuration choices to make, after 4 years occasional use I haven't got a system to choose best configuration except trial and error.
Absolutely YES Swaz. And for good reason, we do it differently to the rest of the industry in order to deliver greater flexibility and ease of use again.Thanks George, was going to email you but it might help to answer here. Is it possible to have one of your 2 bike carriers with a slip on extension to make it a 4 bike? 70% of the bike carrying I do is just my bike, however I want to whatever carrier I get to be able to carry 4.
That seems to be a theme with all carriers that are more than 2. Kids bikes on the roof might have to be a serious, yes expensive, optionQuote myself given I'm on the topic still (gotta be a first for everything)
Just packed up 4 bikes - took a solid 20min to load 4 bikes of varying sizes (ie including 20" kids bike), bikes with Spd s and 2 with flats. Flats are a PITA, as are kids bikes with wide Q factor cranks and flat pedals. (And I may have sworn 5 or 6 times in that 20min)
4 similar sized bikes are a 5 minute job, especially with spds. The last pair of verticals have to be taken off to get the third bike on - which is a 2 minute job, but the easiest way. This process is going to be a pain in any carrier because of the legal length of the things - the bikes have to be close to be legal.
So, good for 4 mates on a day out ride, good for a family for a holiday or weekend away, not good for a family to take them 30min away, unless you do it all the time and you've spent an hour figuring out the exact best configuration for fitting them the easiest - there are quite a lot of configuration choices to make, after 4 years occasional use I haven't got a system to choose best configuration except trial and error.
Sounds like a good option. I may end up copying you given I've already got 4 racks for the roof. The extra height on the new car makes it a bit dangerous getting the bikes up there. It's only a matter of time before a bike falls one way or the other.Checked out a few racks at the trail head yesterday and got some opinions.
2x seems to be the quickest to load an unload which is important to me. the 3 bike carriers seem to be a PITA to actually have 3 bikes loaded onto at the same time. So now I am on the trail of a 2x carrier and two roof rack mounts to carry the kids bikes.
I have a high car and it's a pain to get a bike up there but doable and I really only want the small 20-24" bikes up there and that will be a very occasional trip.Sounds like a good option. I may end up copying you given I've already got 4 racks for the roof. The extra height on the new car makes it a bit dangerous getting the bikes up there. It's only a matter of time before a bike falls one way or the other.
I really want to see one in the flesh before committing though.