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ashes_mtb said:
New car question - is it worth going to a detailer for one of those ceramic coating jobs, or just apply a wax every now and then?
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Depends what you want out of your car,
A ceramic coat is pretty good consumer wise, but its all in the prep so you can actually lock in swirl marks under a coating which looks pretty poo.
I've used this on all our cars but it takes a day to prep and then another to do the coating, they do look clean even after we put 100,000kms on one car interstate trips and all that (I wash it though so no one else can screw it up)
When you sell it, it looks clean and has minimal swirls (great for black or dark coloured cars) my white ute the bloke bought it and took it straight to a muddy site the next day, but was pleased with how clean it still looked after 2 years of my driving.

Waxes and Sythentic spray ons are becoming better and get some pretty good longevity, and there is always one on sale on Ozbargain at least twice a month, the brands rotate but find what works best for you and at sub $50 they are a good thing to have around. Most are an 'after wash' step so whilst the car is still wet you spray some on, hose it off to spread it around then dry and your protected for a while, some people get months others get a couple weeks.

Good comparison here:

Personally if its dual use and you have kids, do as @Oddjob says, get the high risk areas wrapped and then just wax it yourself
 
ashes_mtb said:
New car question - is it worth going to a detailer for one of those ceramic coating jobs, or just apply a wax every now and then?
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I got the ceramic coat from the dealer when I bought my Triton as it was red, and I did not know this at the time but if you see any red tritons that are a few years old getting around they are all pink, unless someone has given it a cut and polish.
The spiel from the salesman was that the paint protection had a guaranteed 12-year protection from fading. I was very dubious of these claims, but as I had it in writing, and I knew red cars are more prone to fading, I paid the extra for the coating.
Well blow me down, less than 12 months later I had a pink Triton! Took it back to the dealer and they got the paint protection guy in, and he blamed the paint. What it was is, that Tritons simply don't have a clear coat, so like all cars used to do, they fade. The paint protection does stuff all and they wouldn't back it up. Fortunately, the car dealership was great and stuck to their word that they would fix it one way or the other. Ended up getting a full respray (with a clear coat this time) at a cost to the dealer of $9K and it stayed shiny and red for the next 10 years I owned it.
I don't think that ceramic coating/paint protection is worth what you pay for it. You may as well just wax it yourself once a year, as even though they claim it lasts for years, it doesn't.
 
Stredda said:
I got the ceramic coat from the dealer when I bought my Triton as it was red, and I did not know this at the time but if you see any red tritons that are a few years old getting around they are all pink, unless someone has given it a cut and polish.
The spiel from the salesman was that the paint protection had a guaranteed 12-year protection from fading. I was very dubious of these claims, but as I had it in writing, and I knew red cars are more prone to fading, I paid the extra for the coating.
Well blow me down, less than 12 months later I had a pink Triton! Took it back to the dealer and they got the paint protection guy in, and he blamed the paint. What it was is, that Tritons simply don't have a clear coat, so like all cars used to do, they fade. The paint protection does stuff all and they wouldn't back it up. Fortunately, the car dealership was great and stuck to their word that they would fix it one way or the other. Ended up getting a full respray (with a clear coat this time) at a cost to the dealer of $9K and it stayed shiny and red for the next 10 years I owned it.
I don't think that ceramic coating/paint protection is worth what you pay for it. You may as well just wax it yourself once a year, as even though they claim it lasts for years, it doesn't.
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So, there are reasons for that...

Some reds are very prone to fade because they are based on organic pigments, which break down with UV exposure
Inorganic reds (ie oxides) don't break down with UV, but have a more limited colour range (can't be as bright. Same for other brights like yellows and greens)

The "ceramic" coatings aren't really ceramics, but sort of are ..
Often based on stuff like TEOS (tetraethyl orthosilicate), it's more like a molecule that is organic on one side (that does chemically bond to the paint surface, which is why needs good prep, and lasts a long time), and the outward facing side is sort of silicate/silica (which is why they call it ceramic, but it's not).

None of that coating significantly absorbs or reflects UV, so doesn't change organic pigment/dye fade at all, and they shouldn't have promised it would.

Topcoats don't really need clearcoats these days if the pigments are all inorganic, and the paint has a decent UV stabiliser (like HALS)..


And shit reds will still be shit and fade under a clearcoar under the clear has sufficient UV absorber added..

/Paintnerd
 
oldcorollas said:
So, there are reasons for that...

Some reds are very prone to fade because they are based on organic pigments, which break down with UV exposure
Inorganic reds (ie oxides) don't break down with UV, but have a more limited colour range (can't be as bright. Same for other brights like yellows and greens)

The "ceramic" coatings aren't really ceramics, but sort of are ..
Often based on stuff like TEOS (tetraethyl orthosilicate), it's more like a molecule that is organic on one side (that does chemically bond to the paint surface, which is why needs good prep, and lasts a long time), and the outward facing side is sort of silicate/silica (which is why they call it ceramic, but it's not).

None of that coating significantly absorbs or reflects UV, so doesn't change organic pigment/dye fade at all, and they shouldn't have promised it would.

Topcoats don't really need clearcoats these days if the pigments are all inorganic, and the paint has a decent UV stabiliser (like HALS)..


And shit reds will still be shit and fade under a clearcoar under the clear has sufficient UV absorber added..

/Paintnerd
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So why not just get the UV blocking PPF that they use for headlights?

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