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2011 Fox 32 with Kashima coating
Blatant negative speculation with no actual evidence to back it up. Fox has more brand equity in MTB that most others mass producing companies - I dont expect them to release a fork that'll wear out in under a season or two.So at the end of the day. It will be an expensive coating doesn't really do anything and will not last very long. Awesome!
'Simply adding 500g' - that is so so so out of context it's not funny. The only thing worse than internet speculation is psudo-research-based-speculation.Alright - I am bored so decide to find out everything I could about molybdenum disulfide - which is the basis of this Kashima Coat (basically this is the techy name for the film created over the metal).
Some tested polished metal has coefficients of around 0.08 (this is from hip joint replacements). The only test I could find using molybdenum disulfide halved this but the loads were slightly different.
What was interesting was the all the other tests I could find of molybdenum disulfide showed that increased loads educed the wear characteristics by huge amounts (0.5 million cycles down to 38,000 cycles by simply adding 500g).
very little will with the courses for this years world cup....Reality is though....it ain't gonna help Atherton get onto the top step of the podium!
It's refreshing to see some healthy skepticism regarding marketing claims. Unfortunately manufacturers claims like "5% stiffer" generally result in mass hysteria as "ZOMG that means mine are teh flexzoar". Additionally, I would be vary wary listening to sponsored riders talking about the benefits of new products their sponsor makes.The measurable difference between regular ano'd and these would be so minimal as to be unquantifiable. Buy into the marketing if you like, just don't pay more for it.
Cheers.
Probably more of an issue for the World Champions among us....While the difference isnt significant, it can most definately be noticed on small high frequency bumps, and gets more noticable the faster you are going.
Really? so all the hubbub about Gee and Rachel's fancy-painted 40's was just pure marketing?? -because I think most people were under the impression that those 40's were different from mine and everyone elses. Harder, better, faster, stronger.With each FOX product, the one you pull out of the box is identical to the ones that Jared, Gee, Rachel, Justin, Geoff, Cam, etc, etc, race/ride on each meet!
Yep, identical (internally)! Although it came standard with a green spring, not blue, and an extra compression shim (can be added during any cartridge service but as it happened the majority of the WC forks sold had that shim removed becuase it was too firm for the standard rider).Really? so all the hubbub about Gee and Rachel's fancy-painted 40's was just pure marketing?? -because I think most people were under the impression that those 40's were different from mine and everyone elses. Harder, better, faster, stronger.
Not exactly 'internal' testing but yes, quite a few of the FOX world cup/champ riders have been using the Kashima coated stanchions throughout the 2009 season. Prior to this they used the nickel plated stanchions... not durable enough thus not making it to market.I am assuming Fox did some internal testing prior to putting them on their fork range. I would be interested in seeing their data regarding durability and friction comparisons with the previous coating.
Why do you assume Kashima coating is going to make the 40's more expensive?Well can people notice any difference between anodized stanchions and nickel coated stanchions? If you can't then no point spending any extra for these unless of course you're buying them for the look.
It's a consumer society, marketing is a part of it so just accept it, if you don't believe the hype then you won't buy the product, as simple as that. And perhaps in that case you're the kind of guy or gal who would never buy something before it's been tested and reviewed by others anyway. Some people will buy it because they believe marketing, some will buy it because it's new technology and others might buy it for the looks, it's their money and their choice at the end of the day, and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Hi,“The Kashima coating made the forks so much more reactive to the small hits that I would normally feel on rough terrain. When the forks were skittering over tiny bumps they could soak up the impact much more quickly, without giving me so much feedback through the bars. That’s a huge advantage on long courses.”
That is a load of shite.
The measurable difference between regular ano'd and these would be so minimal as to be unquantifiable. Buy into the marketing if you like, just don't pay more for it.
Cheers.