MTBA AGM- presidential vote
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akashra
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And how do you propose the average person who does not have access to MTBA's internal systems prove that it was sent in the first place?
Members can only tell us whether they did or did not receive it without the assistance of MTBA.
Postponement, not cancellation - big difference! Albeit neither are covered in the constitution, but hey! That's for others to fight over
Knut
Troll hunter
Those clowns you are referring to are possibly the majority of the members. It would be fair to say that a large portion of our community were on leave on December 28. By the time they returned to work, the closing date was gone. Fairly average planning. I can confirm that I did not receive notification of the nominations for the AGM. By any form. As far as I am aware, all members must be notified. Who could forget the debacle of a couple of years ago over one single member, not receiving notice.
Tim does know enough about constitutions to get him by. The real issue is, a mistake was made. Now there is the opportunity to learn from it and get it right this time around.
Who knows Ross, you might be able to nominate for more positions this time eh?
Tim does know enough about constitutions to get him by. The real issue is, a mistake was made. Now there is the opportunity to learn from it and get it right this time around.
Who knows Ross, you might be able to nominate for more positions this time eh?
akashra
Eats Squid
No, it's not.
I could send mail to an SMTP server that pipes to /dev/null and claim it was "sent". And I could prove very quickly in court how this claim should be thrown out.
It's well known that people frequently fail to receive mail supposedly sent using the RegisterNow system. Out club has frequent problems with it, and has had to essentially stop using it for anything important because it is unreliable. We have raised this numerous times yet the system remains broken with no sign of improvement.
No idea
Dude, off course a court would rule that as inappropriate as you would have deliberately ruined your own attempt to send.
No idea what a Register Now is?
MTBA have, by the cancellation and statement admitted to a stuff up some way some where - so what is the issue now?
Dude, off course a court would rule that as inappropriate as you would have deliberately ruined your own attempt to send.
No idea what a Register Now is?
MTBA have, by the cancellation and statement admitted to a stuff up some way some where - so what is the issue now?
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akashra
Eats Squid
Sabotaged or not, the point is ever since MTBA have been using the RegNow system, we've seen a pattern of people reporting never receiving things clubs send - it's effectively the same thing, deliberate or not.
The point remains - their attempts to send are irrelevant if they're sending via a system which has shown repeated problems since it's inception - it is, effectively, as if a percentage of mail is getting piped in to the ether, not the eth
The point remains - their attempts to send are irrelevant if they're sending via a system which has shown repeated problems since it's inception - it is, effectively, as if a percentage of mail is getting piped in to the ether, not the eth
Strange then that you aren't using that 'legal knowledge' because the meeting hasn't been 'cancelled' as you keep trying to say - it has been POSTPONED and your 'legal knowledge' should be telling you that there is a very distinct difference between the two.
Do Kellogg's still issue legal degrees with their Corn Flakes or Wheeties packets?
I believe there are a general set of rules/regulations relating to this as set down in their incorporation. All clubs would have that as an underwriting feature even without it being in their specific constitution. And as MPBL has stated notice is given by sending not necessarily receiving provided there is some proof of sending. In any case MTBA has given everyone the appropriate measures for a legitimate AGM to be held when they reschedule the date.
Hmmm Ross - now you (read MTBA) are starting to get themselves into a nice legal minefield - did you forget that about a dozen or so messages back YOU (yes you, yourself) posted a message with a cut and paste message from the MTBA web site -
Given that your constitution doesn't cover the canellation or postponement of it's own MTBA (in reality it doesn't really cover much) the question has to be asked then - are you just trying to cover your own arse or are you simply trying to cover up something you have done and shouldn't have?
So Ross - what's the answer? The only reason a subsequent decision has been made to change it from postponement to cancellationwould be because under a postponement you can't void nominations. What does your legal training and the ACT Act say in this regard then?
As for the 'arogance and ignorance' is this also part of 'legal training'?
Note the word POSTPONED.
Given that your constitution doesn't cover the canellation or postponement of it's own MTBA (in reality it doesn't really cover much) the question has to be asked then - are you just trying to cover your own arse or are you simply trying to cover up something you have done and shouldn't have?
So Ross - what's the answer? The only reason a subsequent decision has been made to change it from postponement to cancellationwould be because under a postponement you can't void nominations. What does your legal training and the ACT Act say in this regard then?
As for the 'arogance and ignorance' is this also part of 'legal training'?
akashra
Eats Squid
I find it amusing that the post on the site has now changed to say 'Cancelled'... though the post slug still says 'postponed' (and wayback machine will always show 'postponed' for the page cache
The service has to be proven as recognised and reliable, and quite simply we've seen a history of the set-up they're using to not reliably deliver email.
While I understand the sentiment you're trying to get at, if there weren't any of us who like to bitch about this kind of stuff on your behalf, you may find yourself unable to ride bikes - since the only people rallying for change and action would be the cyclist-haters you read in The Age
Yeah - it says 'canceled' - and it's been changed very recently. I wonder why. There's also a new AGM date published now (Feb 18) - which is, amusingly, the same day as the biggest annual MTB race in Victoria. I hate to go all conspiracy theory, but would this have been a deliberately inconvenient date picked? What was wrong with holding it in Adelaide at the National champs if we're going to hold it off that long?
What you're saying here is like saying "I delivered it" by giving it to your runner rather than AustraliaPost
The service has to be proven as recognised and reliable, and quite simply we've seen a history of the set-up they're using to not reliably deliver email.
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying what I wrote.I
What you're saying here is like saying "I delivered it" by giving it to your runner rather than AustraliaPost
The service has to be proven as recognised and reliable, and quite simply we've seen a history of the set-up they're using to not reliably deliver email.